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Post by tonhou on Sept 15, 2014 22:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by Olga on Sept 16, 2014 10:17:01 GMT -5
Good article, well balanced.
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zephyrhillsusan
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Caught Dexteritis in Dec. 2009. Member of this forum since Oct. 2013.
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Sept 16, 2014 11:35:06 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the article. This is such a hot button topic here in the U.S. and people get really heated up about it. Sometimes it seems the less they actually know, the more heated their opinions are, JMHO. In searching for "when" we started pasteurizing milk, I found this article. I had forgotten that Pasteur's original concern was souring wine (of course, he was French!) not tuberculosis-laden milk.
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Post by tonhou on Sept 24, 2014 15:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by carragheendexters on Sept 24, 2014 19:52:22 GMT -5
Here in Australia, we cannot legally sell unpasteurised milk or cheese for human consumption. However this milk can be sold as "pet" milk or "bathing" milk, with the notation "Not for human consumption". However once the milk is sold and out of your hands you have no control over what people do with that milk.
It is interesting that you guys have the article with Rosemary Stanton. She has recently publicised her opinion in the media about it all. She just feels that all of the claims are unsubstantiated and that the research is non-conclusive. All of the published studies are faulty, or of such a small scale that no conclusions can be made. She just feels it is a bit irresponsible making these unsubstantiated claims.
It is really interesting and amusing here in Australia with the advertising war going on with A2. Very funny to see all of the milk companies putting their different perspective on it:- A2 milk-"Contains only A2", Dairy Farmers-"Our milk naturally contains A2", Devondale milk- "our milk is produced by farmers not a corporation" The funniest is that we are only talking about 9% of fresh milk sold. Just a drop in the bucket really of total sales of milk products. If you talk to Joe Blow, all he cares about is buying the cheapest milk, the generic brand that the supermarkets carry for a $1/litre. Cheap Victorian milk. So they are all spending megabucks on advertising for very little return. Wonder if it is worth it? And in all of this it is the dairy farmers who suffer, they still get very little for their milk at the farm gate.
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Post by tonhou on Sept 24, 2014 21:13:05 GMT -5
"It is interesting that you guys have the article with Rosemary Stanton"
Not sure who this is - re-read both the articles and couldn't see her name mentioned?
The debates will go on concerning raw milk, but in NZ there has been strong lobbying for it to be allowed - which it is, with the proviso that only 5 litres a day can be sold to an individual. Also as I mentioned above the producers are voluntarily introducing stricter controls (daily testing, thorough washing, dumping unsatisfactory quality).
"And in all of this it is the dairy farmers who suffer, they still get very little for their milk at the farm gate."
The NZ Dairy industry had a record payout of $8.65/kgMS this season just gone. Because of the strength of the industry there continue to be a lot of Dairy conversions. However I should add that this seasons price has fallen dramatically - initial payout $5.20/kgMS - but the Dairy industry is still pretty strong in NZ.
--Tony
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Post by carragheendexters on Sept 24, 2014 23:14:07 GMT -5
Tony, the first time I looked at that link last week there was also an article on A2 milk and Rosemary Stanton, but now that I have gone back to find it, I can't find any article on A2 milk. Very strange. Rosemary Stanton is a very prominant nutritionist, and uni Fellow here in Australia. Our farmers are paid by the litre and have a contract with whatever milk company they decide to go with. Price can vary a lot, depending on what the milk is going to be used for fresh milk, cheese etc, also the MS contents can get an extra bonus. So how does this payout work out per litre, just trying to compare to what they get here. The price they get can't go down, as they have a contract. That is a big drop, about a third. That would hurt.
I like the story of your second link. This is something that you could do with a small Dexter milking herd. The dispensing machine is interesting, would save lot of work and man hours compared to keeping a shop front. I also like the idea that the customers bring their own containers. Would you like to do something like this with your Dexters?
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Post by RedRidge on Sept 25, 2014 7:46:05 GMT -5
Having customers bring their own containers eliminates a huge liability. That's what we do for our herd shares here. Each share holder brings empty, sanitized, closed, labeled, half gallon glass jars. Milk is filtered warm right into those glass jars. Cow's milk is $10/gal and sheep's milk is $18/gal
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