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Post by longshotfarms on Nov 24, 2008 19:08:42 GMT -5
This is a cow that I have raised from a calf. Yes, she is pure dexter. I have the dam and the sire is nowhere to be found. Her sire is Lazy J5 Monarch and dam is CJS Jasmine, she is NOT registered.  Just thought I could stir things up some. ;D |
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Post by wstevenl on Nov 25, 2008 11:03:09 GMT -5
I'll bite.
I don't believe that that heifer? cow? is 100% Dexter by anyone's standards. Dexters are solid colored and sometimes have white on their udders or belly. I just can't believe that a white coloring like that could have hidden in the genes for generation after generation and then finally popped up.
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Post by tiffin on Nov 25, 2008 13:21:02 GMT -5
I've been hearing about this happening lately and I'm very skeptical. I even saw one registered from Freedom Farm and couldn't believe it. Hope somebody has some explanation of what seems to be a new phenomena (maybe it isn't but I've never seen it before). Perhaps it will be the latest thing; a third color scheme for Dexters.
Adrienne
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Post by tiffin on Nov 25, 2008 13:22:27 GMT -5
I forgot to add: wondering to get these animals registered are they required to DNA the dam, sire and calf? I would hope so mainly because of the original rules of ADCA and PDCA regarding color.
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Post by onthebit on Nov 25, 2008 14:08:15 GMT -5
LOL While it is cute, It is definitely not a purebred dexter since u said yourself the dam is not registered. I was under the assumption that DNA testing is NOT a requirement for registration in the US. It is quite obvious that someone's bull jumped the fence. I am kind of in the same predicament with one of my cows. My vet told me she was approximately 5.5 months pregnant in September when he palpated my cows. Since the bull arrived in June (you get the picture) Seems this cow; Seven Oaks Harmony got bred on her first heat after calving by a limo bull the previous owner had. I sure am going to have a beefy looking dexter next month!  |
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Post by tiffin on Nov 25, 2008 15:36:17 GMT -5
onthebit: The above calve's sire and dam are both registered. The sire is ADCA#14279 but as longshotfarms has said the sire appears to be missing in action as he is listed with no owner (?). The dam is ADCA #017645. So with those numbers the calf could be registered although I have seen registration rules in ADCA that states the only white color allowed is around the udder and perhaps underneath (if I'm not mistaken). So how did Freedom Farm register a calf with so much white on it? I hope someone can jump in here with some insight with more info.
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Post by longshotfarms on Nov 25, 2008 16:25:47 GMT -5
She is out of registered stock! NO chance a stray bull jumped the fence (only bull close is an angus that weighs over 2500# and she would be MUCH bigger if he were the sire). As to registeration. When she was born I checked and ADCA had no rule against registering a calf with that much white. You simply list it as excess white. The white on the underbelly is listed in the breed charicteristics, the same as height and weight. I know I have seen dexters that are over height and weight, but are registered.
All that said, She is NOT what should be in the registery and that is why she is not papered. She is a nice little cow (as small as any I have) and has had a nice black bull calf for me so I plan to keep her.
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Post by tiffin on Nov 25, 2008 17:49:17 GMT -5
I realize you are not going to register her which probably is the right thing, but my curiosity would lead me to send in tail hairs of this cow, her dam and a straw from the sire (I'm assuming you AI'd Jasmine), have the lab see what they can come up with. If you did use AI perhaps a straw got mixed up. I can see that happening with the AI tech if he isn't really careful. Mine is very careful to show me the name on the straw and give the empty straw to me when he is done.
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Post by cddexter on Nov 25, 2008 17:51:13 GMT -5
Hi Longshot. I'm going to guess the dam is known because she was around when the calf was born....but I'm going to guess the sire is not as you think. The dam carries red but there is very little chance of the sire carrying red. Dun, yes. If I were in your shoes, I'd pull those all important tail hairs, and pay my fee (after all, it's about the same as a couple of packs of cigs or a case of beer) and confirm parentage. You accomplish a couple of things with this: you keep the registry accurate; you can confirm or deny excess white in the pedigree (having raised the spectre, it's best to clear or condemn them), and you've given a bunch of people something to think about. Win/win all round.
I've seen 'excess white' on legs and tail which was caused by stress, but this is more than just 'excess'. It's patterned. good luck, carol D.
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Post by onthebit on Nov 25, 2008 18:55:32 GMT -5
I realize you are not going to register her which probably is the right thing, but my curiosity would lead me to send in tail hairs of this cow, her dam and a straw from the sire (I'm assuming you AI'd Jasmine), have the lab see what they can come up with. If you did use AI perhaps a straw got mixed up. I can see that happening with the AI tech if he isn't really careful. Mine is very careful to show me the name on the straw and give the empty straw to me when he is done. That is a good point. It is not at all uncommon for the tech to mix up straws. |
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Post by marion on Nov 25, 2008 19:08:56 GMT -5
It sounds like they were talking about a natural service. I was thinking, if they were sure there were no other breed bulls on the scene, perhaps the sire was not as papered himself.
I have the best AI tech in the world ;D He always asks, as he's getting the straw ready, sort of casual-like, "so...we're going with XXX today are we?" ..marion
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Post by longshotfarms on Nov 25, 2008 19:44:08 GMT -5
I leased the bull from a member south of Denver and used him for the one season on my cows, 4 dexter and 2 others. When I unloaded him I noticed that he only had one testicle, so I did not register any of his offspring. He was here in the flesh so I don't think any of his straws got mixed up. I don't think he was ever collected. I tried to get tail hair from him when this calf was born, with no success. I still have Jasmine and Patch (the cow in question) and could get tail hair or blood anytime.
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Post by liz on Nov 25, 2008 19:44:26 GMT -5
Funny mine does too! As he looks at the straw!! Never thought of it before but now it's obvious! Liz
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Post by onthebit on Nov 25, 2008 20:14:05 GMT -5
I will probably get a kick under the proverbial table for saying this.
If she truly is a pure bred Dexter then she has quite a bit of value in that she can add another dimension to the Dexter breed. She could be a mutation. She sure is a pretty little thing. I was once thinking that my Dexters would sure look nice if they had the lineback colouring! ;D
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Post by marion on Nov 25, 2008 20:26:20 GMT -5
Hey Char, If you want Lineback there is a herd of Lynch Lineback (landrace) near me. They have semen stored at EB (owned by Rare Breeds Canada), and the lineback pattern comes through on everything it's bred to. They are very hardy and milk too. He also keeps a herd (separately), of Randall Linebacks from the US..marion
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