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Post by cddexter on Nov 12, 2011 11:13:43 GMT -5
morning, Ian. I've used diatomacious earth for internal parasites (cuts them to ribbons), but didn't think they'd be effective on external. How does that work? c.
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Post by otf on Nov 12, 2011 14:30:08 GMT -5
Would you all please post references to any scientific studies that support your premise that Diatomaceous Earth is an adequate dewormer.
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Post by marion on Nov 12, 2011 14:46:06 GMT -5
I like haveing the worm free enviroment ;D ;D Totally worm-free is not necessarily the goal. Worms and mammals (yes, that includes us) have a symbiotic relationship. I dont have references at hand, but a net search should give more info on that aspect..marion
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Post by Star Creek Dexters on Nov 12, 2011 15:18:59 GMT -5
I have used DE all my life. My parents used it on our animals and I use it on mine now. I feed it in BOSS to the cows and everything else gets it mixed into their feed ration. I also dust with it except in the heart of winter. It certainly takes care of alot of the fly problem. Last time I hauled in a couple of the cows to the vet, I had them do fecals and we where parasite free. I also use a product called Molly's Herbals. It's a mixture of herbs for deworming livestock. Everything gets that as well. Great stuff!
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Post by ian on Nov 12, 2011 15:44:35 GMT -5
morning, Ian. I've used diatomacious earth for internal parasites (cuts them to ribbons), but didn't think they'd be effective on external. How does that work? c. Hi Carol I also stated that I use the Pat Coloby mineral mix. During the fly and tick season I increase the sulphur content this keeps the ticks and flys away. A good indicator are the sores around the eyes that are caused by bitting flys. you will notice a marked decrease in the severity of the sores as you slowly increase the the sulphur content of the mineral mix. You will never stop the flys altogether but you can get them to the level where the animal is not stressed and loosing condition. The ticks just don't like the taste of the sulphur in the blood. You can also feed garlic, I feed a Apple Cider Vinegar and Garlic mix. Also feeding DE cuts down the buffalo flys breeding in your cow pats. Before retirement we owned a stock-feed business this gave use easy access to many products.
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Post by gulfcapt on Nov 12, 2011 18:23:16 GMT -5
OTF Please post something that shows it dosn't work! I am just saying alot of people swear by it, and it works for me. their are law suits on so called scientific studies everyday that back fire on med that are suppose to help everyday people that lay them in the hospital. why do you have to have scientic proof? it seems to work for a few on this forum board. They even say unpasterized milk is bad for you. Do you believe that?
We also use Garlic powder mixed in with their sweet feed to help keep the fly control down, Seems to help.
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Post by cddexter on Nov 12, 2011 21:56:12 GMT -5
hey gulfcapt, I guess they aren't italian flies ;D c.
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Post by ian on Nov 12, 2011 22:40:14 GMT -5
Would you all please post references to any scientific studies that support your premise that Diatomaceous Earth is an adequate dewormer. I think a fecal sample taken to a vet and given the all clear is Scientific proof enough for me. If you are happy pouring toxic chemicals on your animals and drinking the milk and eating the meat, then go right ahead I'm not going to ask you to provide me with proof that it's not harming you. Life is about making choices and I choose not to use toxic chemicals on my animals. The thing to remember is that the person who has never made a bad/wrong choice has not been born yet so maybe you have made the wrong choice. Like I said previoulsy 5 years on DE and no worm problems. If my animals where in poor health and not winning show ribbons I would be questioning my choices. This is from an online US sourse Quote: Food grade diatomaceous earth is EPA approved to be mixed with grains to control mealworms and other pests and has been exempted from tolerance requirements as an inert, inactive ingredient in chemical pesticides. Diatomaceous earth is EPA approved against indoor and outdoor crawling insects. Diatomaceous earth is USDA approved as an anti-caking agent for animal feed. Diatomaceous earth is FDA approved for internal and external use and has a rating of Food Chemical Codex Grade. Unquote
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Post by gulfcapt on Nov 13, 2011 9:26:25 GMT -5
lol Italian flies only come out when we serve pizza and pasta to them so we double up on the garlic on those days.
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Post by goldshaftdexters on Nov 14, 2011 5:47:39 GMT -5
Whatever arrangement is chosen, people should get their cattle accustomed to it so it isn't so stressful when an animal must be restrained for treatment. It's worth the cost of the equipment and the time spent "rehearsing." Whenever I need to do anything with one of my cows I run the whole herd through the cattle yards. I have it set up that the only way out is through the crush ("shute" to you Yankees! ) It makes doing any "procedure" as stress free as I can make it because when the cows go through the crush 99 times out of 100 (or more) nothing horrible is going to happen. ;D I agree that the MINIMUM equipment for any cow, no matter how quiet, is a head bale and basic crush (shute). When my crush arrived I had non cattle friends over who asked what it was. I told them it was my new cattle crush & when I was asked what it was for I could resist & said "You put the cow in it & crush it. That's how mince is made!!!" I couldn't keep a straight face though when the look of horror appeared! ;D LOL
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