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Post by kansasdexters on Nov 16, 2011 20:29:10 GMT -5
I wanted to share some photos of one of our registered Kerry cows, Heamour NEW Seana. She is AI-sired by the Irish Kerry bull, Newbridge Gerard, and out of the registered Kerry cow, North Plain Siobhan: What do you think? Does she have enough "curb appeal"? Patti Adams, Secretary American Kerry Cattle Society www.kerrycattlesociety.org
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Post by Star Creek Dexters on Nov 16, 2011 20:48:41 GMT -5
Pretty, pretty!
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Post by copperhead on Nov 16, 2011 22:20:13 GMT -5
Thats a beautifull cow, Patti, easy to see the relationship to Dexters
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Post by midhilldexters on Nov 17, 2011 7:35:34 GMT -5
Hi Patti, maybe you can shed light on this and help me understand it more. In the Cardiff report it says that the samples sent in on US Dexters, and there were just a few, show more relation to the Devon, while British Dexters more resemble the Kerry. Some of those samples came from a closed herd, there was Bullfinch and Wee Gaelic. and I don't know who else.
So I have all the questions, why, how, what is this saying to you etc etc. What do you think?
Carol K
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Post by kansasdexters on Nov 17, 2011 13:30:36 GMT -5
Hi Carol K,
We all have to consider that the "American Dexter" sample group in Tim Bray's study consisted of only 13 samples. So, for that sample group, there appeared to be a greater contribution from the Devon than from the Kerry. I think it is inappropriate to assume that statement can be extrapolated over the entire American Dexter population, without additional testing of more animals from the U.S. herds.
When Dr. Phil Sponenberg, the technical advisor to the ALBC, analyzed the microsatellite marker data (genotypes) from 55 Kerries in the United States, he organized the data by each microsatellite marker and looked for unique values among the animals that were tested. So, I did a similar comparison using the genotype for the Kerry bull, Kelmscott's Seamus (13 microsatellite markers) to the genotypes of 14 registered Dexters.
I only found 3 unique values for Kelmscott's Seamus and by that I mean, none of the 14 Dexter genotypes contained these unique values; otherwise, I could match this Kerry bull's markers with markers found within the 14 Dexter genotypes.
Here were Kelmscott's Seamus' unique microsatellite markers (these values are base pair measurement values):
SPS115: 248/254 (the "254" was unique, the "248" was found within the Dexter group for this marker)
TGLA227: 89/97 (the "97" was unique, the "89" was found within the Dexter group for this marker)
MGTG4B: 131/145 (the "131" was unique, the "145" was found within the Dexter group for this marker)
So, let's have some fun. Take out your genotype reports and see if any of your Dexters have any of Kelmscott's Seamus' unique markers. The 14 Dexter genotypes that I've already compared him to are:
Bedford Romarc Rambler Lochinvar Trillium Cluny Hiyu Renown Magician Hiyu Salty Rambler IV Fairy Hill Peter Wakarusa OB Malcolm BVF Gallagher's Rosie Glencara Finerty Hillview Red Wing Wee Gaelic Ms Fermoy Llanfair's Aldebaran Rainbow Hill's Holiday Ace of Clove Brook
Fairy Hill Peter (Dun, Horned Dexter) also has a unique microsatellite marker value, that I haven't found in any other Dexter yet (except for his descendents):
TGLA122: 143/175 (the "175" is unique, the "143" is found within the Dexter group for this marker)
I'd be very interested to hear from anyone finding some of these unique microsatellite marker values in the Dexters from their herd.
Patti
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Post by cddexter on Nov 17, 2011 13:45:48 GMT -5
Patti and Carol. Can we move this to it's own thread please. It's going to be lost under photos, and I'll bet a bunch of other people would love to follow it. And, remember that both the Colorado and P Bar herds had 'recent introduced English genetics', and with such a small sample from line-bred animals, it's a wonder they resembled anything, mcu less were representative of the 'American' Dexter. c.
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Post by midhilldexters on Nov 17, 2011 14:56:21 GMT -5
I just checked several and none of them contained any of your unique numbers. None of my genotypes contain the MGTM4B marker, but they all have marker MGTG4B, are they 2 different markers? If you would like the names of the animals I checked I am more than willing to supply that info.
Fun,
Carol K
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Post by kansasdexters on Nov 17, 2011 15:51:48 GMT -5
Yes, it's the MGTG4B marker, I corrected my post. Thanks for catching that!
It's fine with me if Olga moves this topic to another place.
Patti
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Post by rezzfullacres on Nov 17, 2011 17:34:49 GMT -5
My old bull had the TGLA122: 143/175 but he was in the Fairy Hill Peter lineage
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Post by judy on Nov 17, 2011 23:22:52 GMT -5
I am the owner of Wee Gaelic Ms. Fermoy. She was genotyped at the Veterinary Genetic aLaboratory of University California Davis. The genotype clearly shows me as owner. I have never given ADCA nor the Cothran lab permission to use the genotype of Wee Gaelic Ms Fermoy for any purpose. I most certainly have not given permission for Patti Adams to use my genotype for any research.
Please note Carol Koller as a member of the Board of Directors who is concerned as to who has access to your results that I consider this a major breech of ADCA ethics. Since the protection of ownership rights of samples and results happens to be a primary concern and issue with me especially as to ADCA using members results for research the irony of this is beyond comprehension
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Post by rezzfullacres on Nov 18, 2011 8:05:50 GMT -5
From Genebo: "The ADCA had no record of her genotype until I donated one to them in February of 2010, along with 4 others"
Here is the answer to the question.....Right in print........It was donated to the ADCA, were conditions placed on this donation?....Unless Genebo tells us what conditions he placed on the use of donated materials there is no issue....
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Post by midhilldexters on Nov 18, 2011 13:31:50 GMT -5
Judy, duly noted.
Carol K
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Post by rezzfullacres on Nov 19, 2011 8:32:16 GMT -5
Call it semantics if you wish but there is a huge difference between a "donation" and submiting required paperwork for a registration..Yes there would be an issue if my required paperwork were made public for anyone to use, there would not be one if I had donated some relevent historical data that I felt would enlighten the membership....
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Post by rezzfullacres on Nov 20, 2011 13:09:09 GMT -5
Not sure what I am being accused of being "involved in" but I don't think I am, Not an english teacher either....A statement was made, remarks followed that did not allign with the wording of the original comment....Just plain and simple say what you mean and mean what you say.... You may go back and change anything you wish, that is your choice...As far as the "cause", the only reason I am here is for the betterment of the Dexter breed as a whole.
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Post by gulfcapt on Nov 20, 2011 18:31:14 GMT -5
Gene You can't post nothing without getting pounded here lately, and it seems a person can't say anything on this forum without getting slapped on the fingers anymore.. Geeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!
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