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Post by coonhunter on Nov 20, 2011 18:58:27 GMT -5
Gene You can't post nothing without getting pounded here lately, and it seems a person can't say anything on this forum without getting slapped on the fingers anymore.. Geeeeeeeeeeeeez!!! AMEN! Lurked for a while then joined...Still ain't posted before this one and not sure I'll post after it. Just bought my first Dexter a few months ago. I'm crossing a Dexter on dairy heifers. The breed really appealed to me but just too durn much squabbling here.
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Post by marion on Nov 20, 2011 19:44:30 GMT -5
AMEN! Lurked for a while then joined...Still ain't posted before this one and not sure I'll post after it. Just bought my first Dexter a few months ago. I'm crossing a Dexter on dairy heifers. The breed really appealed to me but just too durn much squabbling here. Hi Coonhunter, Welcome to the board What type are your dairy heifers? Are you looking for beefier offspring from the dairy girls, or smaller milking types? Very interesting! Do you have any pics to share? ..marion
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Post by coonhunter on Nov 20, 2011 19:53:02 GMT -5
Breeding to get smaller milk cows...Seems like the growing trend now a days. My Dexter is short legged and he can't reach all of them so I AI what he can't reach...He is a wonderful heat-detector! No pictures yet. My heifers are jersey and holstein X Jersey X gurensey mixes
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Post by bub on Nov 20, 2011 21:34:02 GMT -5
I agree with all the squabbling and back biting on here its realy getting old. I went the other way coonhunter I have 2 dexter heifers and I bought a half dexter, half jersy bull to put on them
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Post by coonhunter on Nov 20, 2011 22:47:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcomes...I guess I'll highjack this thread further...I've been AI'ing for about 35 years...Did it for a living a couple of years back in the 70's. Anyway, about 5 or 6 years ago a man that lived in the next county wanted me to keep some semen for him and breed some Dexter heifers. I agreed and he had the semen shipped to me. I never heard from him again but someone told me that he had sold all his cows. So, I decided after all this time with no help from him on keeping my tank charged that the semen belongs to me. So, I've been using Glenn Land Mr. McRed semen on the dairy heifers.
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Post by marion on Nov 21, 2011 9:30:00 GMT -5
Mc.Red is a lovely looking bull. We will look forward to seeing calf pictures next year ;D ..marion
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Post by cddexter on Nov 21, 2011 11:01:51 GMT -5
hi coonhunter. Jerseys are E+, Guernseys little e and both genes show as red in Dexters, so his calves will be red, too. The Holsteins will be black. oh, and the dwarf bull in the picture looks dun (brown), which will make his calves black when used on other breeds. Cool. c.
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Post by Star Creek Dexters on Nov 21, 2011 19:56:50 GMT -5
Welcome Coonhunter! I am very interested in following your results. I love Guernseys. They are next in line to my first love, which of course is Dexters. If we ever added another breed to our farm, that would be it. I have often wondered what a Dexter/Guernsey would produce. I will look forward to hearing about yours and seeing pictures!
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Post by Olga on Nov 21, 2011 20:59:07 GMT -5
What would be the appropriate place for this? General board or Color or do I need to make a new subboard for Genetics?
I can just post a link to this with a heading of Kerry and Dexter genetics, may be?
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Post by otf on Nov 22, 2011 12:54:32 GMT -5
Okay, so we have a thread that begins on 11/16 about Kerry cattle. On 11/17 we learn that there’s a problem concerning inappropriate (illegal?) access to DNA genotype information – information, I might add, that is private and should be protected by the ADCA from this type of abuse. On 11/20 we read posts from relative newcomers to this board that the arguing and bickering is turning them off. Ummm, newcomers, if you were to learn that your animal’s DNA information was being used for personal research by a member of your breed’s Genetics & Pedigree Committee, how would you feel? Oh, wait, that doesn’t apply because it appears that all of the newcomers are either cross-breeding or using semen that belongs to someone else on their non-Dexters. No DNA testing concerns with this, are there? No, of course not! Moving on, we have a couple of 11/21 posts from oldtimers on the AI bull (see semen mentioned above) and color genetics. Seems a bit obvious to me these posts were written to distract our attention from the matter at hand which is that a member of the ADCA Genetics & Pedigree Committee has allegedly obtained and misused information belonging to someone else – information that is supposed to be confidential. Have other members of committees obtained private information? Is no one concerned about this, or are you all just holding your breath? Finally, we have the board owner asking how to classify this thread? Olga, here’s my answer: 1. Rename this thread “Hot Potato.” 2. Close the thread and lock it. 3. Save it in its entirety – along with the thread on the General Board entitled “Legacy Testing Services.” 4. Forward it to the President of the ADCA, Pam Malcuit (her email is: mornstarranch@cs.com). I’d also suggest that anyone who is reading this now should go back and re-read the entire “Legacy Testing Services” thread on the General Board (it begins on 11/13 and ends on 11/17). Here’s the link in case you cannot find it: dextercattle.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1982Those of you who object to the complaining and whining, either don’t read the posts or read them and learn! Life isn’t sugar-coated. And if you don’t (or do) like what I’ve written here, send me an email (galefb@hotmail.com) – please do not use private message!
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Post by coonhunter on Nov 22, 2011 14:10:52 GMT -5
On 11/20 we read posts from relative newcomers to this board that the arguing and bickering is turning them off. Ummm, newcomers, if you were to learn that your animal’s DNA information was being used for personal research by a member of your breed’s Genetics & Pedigree Committee, how would you feel? Oh, wait, that doesn’t apply because it appears that all of the newcomers are either cross-breeding or using semen that belongs to someone else on their non-Dexters. No DNA testing concerns with this, are there? No, of course not!
I didn't realize I was a semen thief. At $40.00 a tank charge for 5 or 6 years, I guess I got the mistaken notion that I had a right to it. No I don't like your post but I ain't going to the trouble to email you. If you weren't a lady I would tell you what I really think and get banned from here.....My point has been proven! Bye....
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Post by wdd on Nov 22, 2011 15:27:47 GMT -5
'No good deed goes unpunished'
Gail what private information was revealed or mis-used? Patti was sent these genotypes as part of her duties as a member of the Genetics Committee. Is she supposed to not look at the information? The information on these papers are sequences of numbers known as markers. All that can be extrapolated is whether or not two or more individuals possess the same markers. By comparing a calf's' genotype to the bulls' and cows' genotypes it can be determined whether or not those individuals can be qualified or disqualified as the parents of the calf. Since Patti had been comparing other Dexter's and Kerries genotypes and markers already you can't blame her for noticing if these markers in question appear in other genotypes she looks at. Her mistake was including a cows name in the list of those she had looked at.
I feel that is less of a problem than some of the blanket statements and accusations that are in your post. The President may raise her eyebrows at the defamatory accusations you throw at members and new owners. I quickly checked the posts in "welcome to the Farm" and didn't find that 'all the newcomers are either cross-breeding or using semen that belongs to someone else on their non-Dexter's'.
I am guilty of poor posts in the past myself and regret the harm they have done. We all need to try and build up the Dexter breed and not cut each others throats.
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Post by otf on Nov 22, 2011 16:22:13 GMT -5
'No good deed goes unpunished' Gail what private information was revealed or mis-used? Patti was sent these genotypes as part of her duties as a member of the Genetics Commitee. Is she supposed to not look at the information? The information on these papers are sequenses of numbers known as markers. All that can be extrapulated is wether or not two or more individuals posess the same markers. By comparing a calfs' genotype to the bulls' and cows' genotypes it can be determined whether or not those individuals can be qualified or disqualified as the parents of the calf. Since Patti had been comparing other Dexters and Kerries genotypes and markers already you can't blame her for noticing if these markers in question appear in other genotypes she looks at. Her mistake was including a cows name in the list of those she had looked at. I feel that is less of a problem than some of the blanket statements and accusations that are in your post. The President may raise her eyebrows at the defamitory accusations you throw at members and new owners. I quickly checked the post in "welcome to the Farm" and didn't find that 'all the newcomers are either cross-breeding or using semen that belongs to someone else on their non-Dexters'. I am guilty of poor posts in the past myself and regret the harm they have done. We all need to try and build up the Dexter breed and not cut each others throats. Please, Gary, do not try to minimize the serious nature of this outrageous infraction by attacking me for expressing my opinions about this entire thread. Let’s focus simply on the issue of misuse of genotype information. I cannot speak for other members, but I myself am appalled at the cavalier attitude you appear to be taking about this. Someone has access to confidential information, uses it in personal research unrelated to the purpose for which the information was provided, and this is okay? As a member of the Genetics & Pedigree Committee, you condone this? And if Pam Malcuit is offended by what I’ve posted, she knows how to get in touch with me.
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Post by wdd on Nov 22, 2011 16:27:58 GMT -5
Gene,
I am simply going on the face value of the posts in this thread. I see no place where Patti claims to have a hard copy of the genotypes still in her possesion. Curiousity could very well have got to her when the genotype was being used for the purpose that they were intended for and she happened to notice Fermoy's genotype lacked the markers she noticed missing from other Dexters. I would have no problem if the bank teller wrote down the serial number of the bills I took to the bank or compared the watermarks on those bills to others of the same or different denominations. That in no way devalues my deposit nor hurts my ownership in anyway. I was not trying to continue the fight or argument on this Board. I was trying to stop the heated words and accusations before it caused further damage. This is not the place to air grevances if you have them. Take them to the proper place and authority if you feel the need. Dirty laundry and bickering doesn't help to better the Dexter Breed nor their owners. I do not have a hard copy of any of the genotypes you submitted, but I will check my saved messages and sent box to make sure any copies are eliminated as per your request.
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Post by marion on Nov 22, 2011 17:10:37 GMT -5
Hi Gale, My welcoming a newcomer was in no way meant to divert attention from the previous postings on the thread. I also think that newcomers should not be castigated because they are not breeding purebred Dexters, nor should they be accused of semen theft ..marion
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