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Post by carolinagirl on Mar 6, 2012 13:32:46 GMT -5
What color is this girl? Her sire is red, her dam is black. The breeder says she is dun but she looks red to me. But then I was reading a thread here earlier that makes me think she might turn black. So now I am confused! ;D What color is she...and what do you think of her? Thanks!  |
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Post by marion on Mar 6, 2012 19:59:15 GMT -5
Hi Carolinagirl  Do you know her pedigree? Sometimes that is a help when guessing colour. It's hard to tell from such a tiny picture..does she have light caramel shading underneath and/or a lighter tail? She looks very chocolate colour in that picture. She looks well-proportioned..marion |
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Post by carolinagirl on Mar 7, 2012 7:14:29 GMT -5
thanks for your reply. Yes, she is caramel colored on her underside. Hooves look dark, nose is best described as light chocolate colored. I do have her pedigree info. Her parents are registered with Legacy. Dam is black (mother black, father dun) and her sire is either red or dun....DNA will tell us which one is her father.
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Post by cddexter on Mar 7, 2012 10:24:51 GMT -5
I'm betting on dun. Duns have a beige nose, reds have either pink, black, or pinkish/greyish with or without black spots. Occasionally one can get a calf that is born with a brownish/reddish coat, but it will change to black as it gets older and loses its baby coat. Sometimes this is genetic, sometimes it's a mineral deficiency. You can tell if it's going to be one of these changlings by looking closely at the hair immediately above the nose and around the eyes: if it's black, the animal will turn black.
I sure don't want to wade in here.....but 'Legacy' is a private site to record animals, not a registry in the accepted sense. If you want a 'registered' animal, you'll have to go back to either the ADCA or PDCA registries and find the last known registered animal, and then come forward again, registering all the animals in between, at your expense, even tho' they may not belong to you. Depending on how many generations you are going back, in some cases, you'll also have to prove the sires qualify.
There is a difference between an animal that can be proven to be from two particular parents, which is what Judy's 'Legacy' records are about, and an animal that has a recorded continuous unbroken line of descent from Day 1, which is what a conventional 'registry' like the ADCA or PDCA is about.
I just want you to be informed now, and not run into difficulties and possible disappointment after purchase, if a registration certificate is important to you, or turns out to be important to the next owner.
Nice looking heifer, though, and what I can see of the cow, she's not shabby either ;D c.
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Post by carolinagirl on Mar 7, 2012 10:32:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification regarding Legacy. That's fine with me. I don't intend to get into the Dexter breeding business, she will be a family cow for us and that's it. I am hoping she always has bull calves for me....they will go into my freezer. When I go to make my final selections (I'm getting a bull calf too), I'll look at the hair around her nose and eyes. I would really prefer a red or dun calf and not a black one.
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Post by cddexter on Mar 7, 2012 10:50:44 GMT -5
Hi cg, phew, that's great. No sweat. I just wanted to make sure you were clear, as there's nothing worse than being disappointed because you didn't have all the info before you leaped. It looks like a nice girl, and I'm sure you'll enjoy her no matter what color she turns out to be. Cheers, c.
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Post by carolinagirl on Mar 7, 2012 15:36:23 GMT -5
Oh....didn't mean to poke any hornet nests, but it looks like I may have! lol! At any rate, thank you....I am glad to hear that Legacy is indeed a reputable registry. the breeder is gathering tail hairs this weekend for the parentage testing and also pha and chondro. I have not seen pics of all of tje calves she has to offer, but I really like this heifer a lot. She has two bulls....I will choose a bull calf from a different sire. Does this heifer look short legged? I can't tell....I am guessing she is. At any rate, I'll make my final selection when the testing comes back. Thanks so much!
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 7, 2012 15:41:44 GMT -5
You've just been caught in the feud between Carol Davidson (cddexter) and Judy Sponaugle, one of the oldest standing feuds on the Dexter discussion boards. The above comment was totally unnecessary. You could have made your statement just as well without it. Barb |
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Post by carolinagirl on Mar 7, 2012 17:18:27 GMT -5
Another question came to mind. If she does turn out to be Chondro positive, I will still be fine as long as the bull calf is negative, correct? I really do like the small size of the shorties, even though I know most are chondro carriers.
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 7, 2012 18:01:41 GMT -5
Below is a link to the ADCA website that will take you to the genetic information page. It tells you about Chondro, PHA, color, horned/polled etc. www.dextercattle.org/genetics.htm Hope this helps you some, good luck. Barb |
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Post by goldshaftdexters on Mar 7, 2012 18:28:25 GMT -5
Carolinagirl Don't worry about opening up any hornet's nests.  Any discussion board has different personalities and opinions. You just need to learn to accept the schoolyard antics and sort through the bull manure to get the information you want. Some of it can be very amusing  . The difference with discussion boards versus face to face meetings is that it stays in the public eye for more than the brief moment the children are fighting ;D ;D The information and help you will get from this site is well worth dodging the occasional hornet! |
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Post by dexterfarm on Mar 7, 2012 20:28:44 GMT -5
My guess would be not a carrier but do test so you are not guessing.
Yes as long as you dont breed to carriers you are fine.
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Post by marion on Mar 8, 2012 14:08:34 GMT -5
"The Legacy Dexter Cattle Registry is exactly that and is recognized as such by every Dexter association except the ADCA." "You can transfer the LDCR regitration to any Dexter cattle association except the ADCA." My apologies to the original poster, but as this has been raised on this thread: Gene, as you seem to have become the spokesperson for Legacy/Judy Sponaugle, I believe the above statements made by you to be untrue and would like you to answer this question, plainly, without surrounding it with testing information etc: Please define the associations you refer to when you speak of "every Dexter association" and "any Dexter association" in the sentences quoted above - these associations that you state recognize Legacy as a legitimate registry, and will accept registrations from Legacy without the necessity to also register any intervening generations since the animals that were registered with a recognized association/registry..marion |
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Post by marion on Mar 9, 2012 11:31:06 GMT -5
"The Legacy Dexter Cattle Registry is exactly that and is recognized as such by every Dexter association except the ADCA." "You can transfer the LDCR regitration to any Dexter cattle association except the ADCA." My apologies to the original poster, but as this has been raised on this thread: Gene, as you seem to have become the spokesperson for Legacy/Judy Sponaugle, I believe the above statements made by you to be untrue and would like you to answer this question, plainly, without surrounding it with testing information etc: Please define the associations you refer to when you speak of "every Dexter association" and "any Dexter association" in the sentences quoted above - these associations that you state recognize Legacy as a legitimate registry, and will accept registrations from Legacy without the necessity to also register any intervening generations since the animals that were registered with a recognized association/registry..marion Bump. Gene?? |
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Post by bruff64 on Mar 9, 2012 14:46:04 GMT -5
I am new to the Dexter Breed and one aspect I did not anticipate was the diversity within it. I now realize this breed is unique in its most basic respects and is generously unique in broader terms. Short Leg, Long Leg, Traditional Horned, Polled, Red, Black & Dun, dual purpose, beef type, milking type, A2/A2 or not............I am sure I missed something. With a breed this diversified there is no way that one organization would be able to satisfy all interests. Using the Devon as an example, the group split into 2, one for beef type the other milking type. The beef group accepts the miking type into it's registry while the milking type folks do not. Both groups have real merit to what they are trying to accomplish, and by being separate entities there is no friction. This example works with the Devon, but that is a two dimensional situation. Having raised other Heritage Breeds for some time before acquiring my Dexters, I can appreciate what the Legacy effort is trying to accomplish. Likewise, I see the practical applications of some of the other/newer attributes of the breed collectively. It seems to me, again being new here, that the Legacy component of trying to identify the subgroups within the breed with identifying markers in the pedigree helps to serve all the interests in the breed as a whole. I have not been around long enough to know the politics but it seems to me that all interests can be satisfied in this truly remarkable and diverse breed. The Legacy system seems to be moving in a direction that will enable each individual to take from the system what they need to meet their objectives while preserving the subgroups within the breed accordingly.
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Do you know her pedigree? Sometimes that is a help when guessing colour. It's hard to tell from such a tiny picture..does she have light caramel shading underneath and/or a lighter tail? She looks very chocolate colour in that picture. She looks well-proportioned..marion
Any discussion board has different personalities and opinions. You just need to learn to accept the schoolyard antics and sort through the bull manure to get the information you want.
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