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[cddexter]

jamie was a lot taller than 42 inches when i saw him in 1983. big horns, rangy. i do have a pic but you will have to wait till i get home from turkey at the end of the month.

most of jim's cows were at least 45 inches in 1983.

c.

[kansasdexters]

Carole,

Jamie O'Callen was born in July 1977. I don't know exactly how old he was when that photo was taken, but he had to have been at least 2 or 3 years old because his horns were white and tipped with black in that photo. Horned Dexters that are under 2 years of age usually still have a rough, dark-colored outer covering on their horns. As they mature, this gets rubbed off and the smooth white horns with black tips are seen.

Back in 2002, the ADCA was still using shoulder height measurements for the AI bull advertisements. So the 42-inch height given for Jamie O'Callen, would most likely have been his shoulder height measurement.

C. - In your Dexter A.I. Bull Review, the write-up you gave for Jamie O'Callen indicates that he was 44-inches (estimated) at 5 years of age and 1,000 lb (estimated) at 5 years of age. The photo that you have of him in the Dexter A.I. Bull Review shows his horns to be the same size as the photo that I posted.

Patti

[lakeportfarms]

Patti, you're a wealth of information, thank you... and Carol please post what you have when you return. Enjoy your trip in the meantime.

[cddexter]

thanks hans. it's a university study trip on archeology of central and eastern turkey. we are seeing some truly amazing sites. just about everything human seems to have sprung up here and just south along the fertile crescent. look up Catal Hoyuk, Kaymakli, Urfa, and Harran, for a start. At Kaymakli they'd even perfected ventilation with funnels facing the prevailing winds. Check the dates. We aren't any smarter today, we just have better technology. Gaziantep has the very best Roman mosaic museum worldwide. And, and, and.

The prof who does these archeology trips has spent 40 years on various digs all around the eastern Med. He's pretty special, as he doesn't just focus on his own personal field, but always tries to correlate things 'in the round', seen through the perspective of climate, technology, migration (animal and human), geography, geology, and trade. Recognizing the shape of a pitcher spout in mid-Turkey as being identical to those made on Crete in the same period, and knowing which direction trade was made, and seeing the same hand movements on a statue here as are found on statues on easter island, where there truly was no connection, gives (me at least) pause for thought. The very first potters wheels were developed in Cappadocia, and are still used almost unchanged. Thank heavens one is never too old to learn, should one choose to do so.

cheers, c.

[cddexter]

Gene, since it's quite contrary to all my information, would you tell me, and thus all the rest of us here, why the udder pic you posted is of an udder worthy of such praise. always interested in learning. cheers, c.

[cddexter]

gene, did you miss the last post?

leaving turkey tomorrow afternoon for home via ankara, istanbul and london. this country truly is amazing, all positive.

hans, please add to your check list: gobeckli tepe. this one site has moved our knowledge back from 6,000 years ago to 12,000, in one step. looking at pics is one thing, but to be there in person, is quite another. less than 5% excavated so far, the site covers 22 acres. r aised animal figures, HUGE stellae up to 18 feet high, roofed over, we really are a neat species.

cheers, c.

[lakeportfarms]

Carol,

My most memorable experience with Turkey was on the highway from Greece toward Istanbul at the Greece/Turkey border, where I was detained for a couple of hours sitting across a desk being interrogated by a chain smoking Turkish border agent and about 10 of his chain smoking associates in a small room. Don't ever try to take a car that is NOT titled in your name with all paperwork in order (i.e., rental car) into Turkey, or they will have to confirm you have not stolen it and are taking it to where it will be parted off or sold. It seems they have a problem with that sort of thing. All that was running through my mind for those couple of hours was the movie "Midnight Express".

I'm happy you had a great time...Have a safe trip back!

Hans