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Post by copperhead on Oct 14, 2007 19:46:49 GMT -5
My little short legged cow finally had a baby, it's a dun bull. Now, here is the question, I thought that if I bred to a long legged bull, I would get a long legged calf, not so  He's tiny, dish faced, absolutly a short legged calf, just about the cutest thing I ever saw, but a surprise to me. Olga, I sent you some pictures, can you post a couple for me?? Thanks, P.J. |
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Post by legendrockranch on Oct 14, 2007 22:39:40 GMT -5
Hi PJ.
Here's a breakdown for you.
1. Mating a carrier to carrier, has a 25% probability of producing a
bulldog calf, a 50% probability of producing a carrier calf, and a
25% probability of producing a non-carrier calf.
2. Mating a carrier to non-carrier, has a 50% probability of
producing either a carrier calf or non-carrier calf but no chance
of producing a bulldog calf.
3. Mating a non-carrier to non-carrier produces only non-carrier
calves: no carrier or bulldog calves.
So what you are saying is that you used a non-carrier bull on a
carrier cow, that would be #2.
The only real way to tell however is to test animals.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Olga on Oct 16, 2007 8:15:24 GMT -5
Click on the pic for slide-show.  I will get the individual pics eventually posted in the photo gallery. Sorry I wasn't on the computer the last few days. What Barb said, the chance was 50/50. Pesonally, I don't mind short-legs, especially when it comes to bulls. If they are going for meat - who cares; if they are to be used as a sire - then they are not as heavy on the cow during mating; and a short-leg should be easier to sell as a pet, I suppose. Another positive to me is when a first time heifer has a smaller calf, and short-leg calves are usually just that - easier to deliver. Gusty had a shorty bull this month. I wasn't there for the birth and couldnot have helped like you did. But he was, by my computations, about 30 to 35 lbs at birth and so wasn't a problem. Anyway, congrats on the cute dun baby ( may be somebody will explain if Lelia had to have dun to produce a dun baby from a dun - I assume? - bull; Lelia's grandsire was dun). And the mom looks wonderful. Looks to be a good udder on her, nice and tightly attached, like her mama's was, with normal sized teats symmetrically postitioned. Glad to know that it carried on! |
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Post by copperhead on Oct 16, 2007 9:01:02 GMT -5
Boy, the things you can learn, he's really dwarf looking, ( I know, thats not Politically correct) but he is. As to the color, yes, his daddy is a dun, out of a black bull and a dun momma. So he had dun on both sides . As to her bag, it is well attached, and the quarters are well separated, but her back teats are so short, I can milk them out using one finger and thumb, no room for more fingers on it  . He's able to suck so maybe they will stretch out when her bag isn't so full. I'm going to turn them out with the rest of the herd today, he's doing great and she has a good maternal instincts to her. Oh, thanks Barb, for the break down on the "little ones" I never did get Lelia tested, but I guess this probably means she's a carrier. I'll have to get him tested if I decide to keep him a bull. Talk to you later, P.J. |
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Post by Olga on Oct 16, 2007 9:07:52 GMT -5
Now that i think about it, Lila's back teats were too short for hand milking two - one or two fingers and thumb. But babies don't seam to mind them. And they should get longer with age and suckling. Gusty was a first time heifer too, and her udder got so engorged - she was producting for an elephant and had a dwarf instead! I had to milk out some, but at one point the udder got so full that there was hardly enough teat to grab onto.
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Post by legendrockranch on Oct 16, 2007 12:54:29 GMT -5
Hi Olga & PJ
Great job at posting the pictures Olga.
To answer your question Lehia had to carrier dun to produce the calf.
P.J. Just wondering why you had to pull the calf? Was mom in labor for a long time or were there any complications? One way or the other he looks healthy now and so does mom.
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Post by copperhead on Oct 16, 2007 19:27:09 GMT -5
Hey Barb,
I probably didn't have to help her, but it had been about an hour and all I had were 2 feet and a tongue sticking out. I felt inside and his head was wedged pretty tightly so I push him back a little and then pulled the legs forward enough that he could come on out. She had been pushing for quite a while and with this being her first, I just didn't want to wait any longer.
P.J.
Oh yeah, Olga, great job on posting the slide show, it looks so cool
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He's tiny, dish faced, absolutly a short legged calf, just about the cutest thing I ever saw, but a surprise to me. Olga, I sent you some pictures, can you post a couple for me??
. He's able to suck so maybe they will stretch out when her bag isn't so full. I'm going to turn them out with the rest of the herd today, he's doing great and she has a good maternal instincts to her.