Wormer Video - 30 minutes - WOW

[Gorignak]

vimeo.com/11107393

Wake up call.

[Dahdo]

Can you give us a cliff notes version Mike?

[Gorignak]

Internal Parasite Control in Beef Cattle Seminar Video

The Professor, Dr. Tom Yazwinski, says he has to give 3 hours of info in 20 minutes

Great job. His PhD must stand for Pretty Handy Description.

We are using a Safeguard/Cydectin regimen ..... don't like any of it, BUT...... We will shift to as "natural" a regimen as possible in the future. But let's face it....these animals are few generation from "grazer gatherers" that didn't return to a spot for a year or more, and didn't drink out of stagnant ponds. There is nothing "natural" about what we are doing here. One can only minimize drawbacks and try to maximize results for any chemical intervention.

The info on generics and pour-on is worth the watching !!!! His description of the decline in Ivermectin efficacy is stunning. It is very troubling that NONE of the generics performed up to the equal of the Ivomec label product.
On and on......

[lakeportfarms]

I'll run through my bandwidth watching that. Guess I'll have to go park outside a McDonalds with my laptop. :-)

[legendrockranch]

Nice video, at least it confirms what we are doing is good.
We worm in spring with Cydectin and in fall we use Safeguard.

[ssrdex]

You're right Mike, definitely worth watching. This guy really packs in the info. Thanks for this, very helpful.


Joel

[dexterfarm]

it is worth watching there is info that you can get out of it. However the first thing I see is the background picture is a feed lot so how much of this is going to apply to me. Second it is presented by a university and they are all heavily funded by chemical companies.
What I get out of this is.

chemical wormers will not kill all of the worms and the ones left will be resistant to them.

All wormers become ineffective after they have been in use for a while(good for the chemical companies isn't it)

worms may have some benefits to the immune system.

All worms will die in a given somewhat short time period. The only way for them to continue is to be re ingested.

Although not even mentioned in the film. the only effective long term control is to prevent re ingestion of them. Break the life cycle( effective and free)

I will continue to do what i have been doing. No wormers and rotational grazinng. In the past I have used wormers if I even had a thought that there might be worm issues. I do believe this was a waste of money. I think time and money would have been better spent on fecal test. which I have also done and none ever came back with a high count.

[trdean]

Great video Mike...really full of good information...I would have actually liked to hear the 3 hour presentation. Anyway, Mike or others who use the Safeguard/Cydectin treatment plan...do either of these affect the dung beatle populations? Seems with the chemicals there is always a tradeoff. I will ultimately be going to a rotational system...but not everything can be done as fast as we would like. Once again, great post...thoroughly enjoyed the lecture!

[legendrockranch]

Cydectin is safe for the Dung beetle population I can't say the same for Safeguard. Guess I'll have to do some more checking into that.
Since we've been using both for the last few years, I haven't noticed any decrease in the population of the types of dung beetles we have here.

Below is a picture of two rollers I took a few years ago. Most of the beetles we have here are the ones that are a lot smaller that go down through the poop into the ground.


edited to ad picture
Barb

[Gorignak]

I'm really hesitant to expand on my initial post...Mike, I was actually validating most of your points....just trying to raise a little less dust. I despise the chem wormers. And they are failing in rapid succession, and in a predictable time frame. OF COURSE there are better ways.

BUT..... and remember, I was gardening and raising livestock organically before many of you were out of elementary school...well, since 1971, anyway......BUT.....
The failure to see beyond our small, personal circle of life causes a dramatic disruption in the effectiveness of our arguments. Much that is being offered here concerning rotational grazing is extremely difficult or utterly impractical for a portion of the viewer/readers to implement. And, they go off with a less than favorable view of a rational argument about an excellent practice.

For example.....Hans/Lakeportfarms loves his step-in posts. I don't have 1000 sq ft on my 160 acres that I can "step-in" a post. The very nature of my current situation will make divisions for rotational grazing difficult if not impossible. The cows will learn to avoid the single electric tape....the bears and the elk get enraged.
I have a mental library of over 40 years of failed and successful "New Age" concepts, priorities, and projects. It serves me very well to focus on the failures (and their causes) as much as the successes.
One can ruin a lifetime of effort with a single incorrect initial input.
For example again....in the 70's the surge of admiration for semi-dwarf fruit trees, and the influx of us hippies onto the old homesteads that originally supported apple and peach orchards seemed like a marriage made in heaven. The "County Agents" had reams of literature and unbounded energy to recommend the "easier and quicker" semi-dwarf plantings.......
Fast forward 20 years.......total failure.....efforts abandoned and fortunes of both time and money were wasted. Efforts, so completely crushed, lead to families destroyed....the semi-dwarf trees that did so well in Oregon/Washington/Pennsylvania, were a complete failure around here. They were totally unsuited to a harsher environment.....Bye-Bye folks. They are all gone.
I am not only "with you guys", I'm way ahead of you.....But, I will have to worm for a while, until I eliminate some of the environmental variables that guarantee me a constant reinfection, no matter what I do. The South is a cruel mistress. They have to worm the wild Elk population to keep them alive, while they reacquire an immunity to the naturally occurring parasites. If you don't have warbles and other grubs.....then you don't know about cutting open a grub filled deer or squirrel. No amount of rotational grazing will combat them.

So....chill with the "I've got the answer, and you just don't get it" dialog. It limits the audience who may benefit from your insight.
Amen............

P.S. Cydectin and Safeguard (Fenbendazol) are harmless to dung beetles. IVOMEC kills them and keeps on killing them for months.