Drench labels

[outofthebox]

ATTENTION CLARIFICATION from one of the manufacturers on the below post:

Edited to now include " This statement does mean that the product may not be used in any dairy animal which is currently producing milk, or on any animal which will at any stage in their life produce milk that is used for human consumption.
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I was looking around on the different drenches and kept seeing many had the following:

'MILK: DO NOT USE in dairy animals producing or which will in the future be producing milk for human
consumption.'

And then there are some which state:

- DO NOT USE on lactating cows or within ## days of calving,
- or where milk or milk products from treated cattle may be used for human consumption.


With Dexters being a beef / milk breed I wonder how many for sale / sold potential house cows were exposed to these types of drenches during the foetal stage or as heifers / cows but not disclosed to the buyer (either through ignorance or just avoidance).

Considering the majority of new Dexter owners are 'tree-changers' and / or those who have never owned livestock before, I doubt this type of question would ever arise from initial enquiries.

What are your thoughts?

[zephyrhillsusan]

I've never had to drench one of our cows yet, and if I did I would consult with my vet who has his own dairy, so he is very sensitive to the needs of those who are milking.

which will in the future be producing milk for human
consumption.'

Read more: dextercattle.proboards.com/thread/3975/drench-labels#ixzz2wBXzoHr0

I wonder what "in the future" entails?  How far in the future?

But I guess if it came down to saving an animal's life or health, I would save the animal and lose that lactation.

[outofthebox]

Hello
So were all your milkers born at your place or did you buy them in?

And if you purchased them, knowing you would milk, did you ask about drenching of their mothers / them before you took them home?

Did the breeder / previous owner know of your milking plans and did they let you know the drenches which were used?

And not all drenches have this warning just many pour-on flukicides appear too but there are some out there which have a green on diary / meat / foetuses destined as a house cow.

[carragheendexters]

Hi Outofthebox and Susan,

I think the reason for the disclaimers on these drenches is because there have not been long term residue testing done for them, (long term testing costs money and many pharmaceutical companies do not go that far) and therefore legally must put these disclaimers.

The same as Cydectin being the "only dung beetle safe" drench. The problem is that the other companies just haven't done the testing, so can't make the claim.

Here in Australia it is a legal requirement of our NLIS (National Livestock Identification System) to keep a record of all treatments that any stock has had, forever. So any animal can be tracked as to what treatment it has ever had, with any owner, if there is something questionable about the animal.

We have had an on-farm audit by the NLIS authority, (you are chosen at random to be audited), and they are very picky about record keeping and drenches, chemicals etc. They check all drenches you have, how they are stored, purchasing records, use-by dates etc
We must have a chemical handling certificate to drench animals with pour-ons, and you have to be able to produce evidence that you hold one.
They ask about particular animals and you have to be able to show them the papertrail of that animal, record of purchase or sale, National Vendor Declarations (NVDs) that must accompany animals when bought and sold etc., and all treatments that the animal has had, when , with what, with-holding period etc.
So here in Australia records are traceable.

It all relies on breeders being responsible and honest to keep these accurate records. A responsible breeder should have given all of this information to prospective buyers. Here in Australia, most breeders I know, usually give a full record along with the sale of any animal, that is any treatment that the animal has had, any veterinary requirements, a vaccination record, a calving record, and any other pertinent information to that animal, along with a copy of testing results for chondro, PHA etc, even if sold as commercial animal.

We personally drench, vaccinate and any other treatments needed, just prior to a new owner receiving their cattle. It is just one less thing a newby has to think about (and purchase, drenches vaccines etc aren't cheap) as they already have plenty to keep them busy just managint their cow/cattle to start. Also of course, they are also told and given in writing all of the animals history (they never remember what you tell them, they are so besotted with the animals and at being a new cattle owner, in one ear and out the other LOL, so a paper record is a must)

We don't have to drench our cows very regularly, only calves, but me personally, I have had milk from a cow that I have used a drench with the milk disclaimer. Didn't die, didn't get sick, and haven't turned green yet as far as I know LOL, no long term effect that I can see.

regards Louise

[outofthebox]

carragheen, I couldnt find any 'legal requirement' under the NLIS program for recording all farm activity but I did find the LPA requires this but only if you wish to become accredited to do so and / or you send livestock to abattoirs as they wont accept the animal without the info.

www.mla.com.au/files/9075cc74-f963-415c-8f1d-a2bd00a6a382/Cattle-NVD-13.pdf

And this I found re Livestock Production Assurance (LPA):
The Livestock Production Assurance (LPA) program is your pledge that the meat from your farm has been produced safely. Your LPA accreditation means you stand by what you sell.

When you tick the box on your National Vendor Declaration form you are guaranteeing your on-farm practices meet LPA requirements. Your tick must be backed up by accurate farm records.

As industry’s on-farm food safety program, LPA meets the stringent requirements of domestic and export markets, providing assurance of the safety of Australian beef, lamb and goat meat.

And more information was here about LPA:

www.mla.com.au/Meat-safety-and-traceability/Livestock-Production-Assurance/About-LPA

My question is: what if you dont use abattoirs because you home slaughter? Someone with a couple of cows who sells a few heifers off as house cows wouldnt have to volunteer to be LPA accredited?

And for the Approved Handler Certificate: It does not extend to Hobby Farmers who would probably make up a large part of Dexter ownership.

Hobby farmers:
If you are selling your produce or livestock commercially, you need to be trained. If you don’t sell anything and are not a commercial enterprise, training is not required under the Pesticides Regulation 2009.

www.epa.nsw.gov.au/pesticides/pesttrainFAQ.htm#hobby

Do I need training if I only treat livestock?

Yes, if you are putting your livestock through a spray race or a dip-bath. These are considered pesticides and are covered by the Pesticides Regulation 2009.

You do not need to be trained if you only treat livestock with internal parasite treatments (drenching) or with external paraside treatments such as backline products that do not require dilution or mixing with water. This is because these parasite treatments are regarded as stock medicines and are not covered by the Pesticides Regulation 2009.

www.epa.nsw.gov.au/pesticides/pesttrainFAQ.htm#livestock

Are products purchased from rural produce stores exempt?

Not automatically. Many people think that because these products are available to the public in a rural produce store they will fall under the small use exemption. The important thing is that the product must be something that is meant to be used by the householder in the home or around the garden, i.e. it includes label instructions that permit use by householders in the house or around the garden. [Note: for this reason backline treatments for cattle and many herbicides do not fall under this exemption]. If you are unsure, check the label.

www.epa.nsw.gov.au/pesticides/pesttrainFAQ.htm#stores


I just checked the label of the three products I have here and only Dectomax pour on stated anything about an Approved handler certification and only for large amounts.
Approved handler required for quantities of ≥250 litres when in containers ≥5 litres or for quantities ≥500 litres when in containers ≤5 litres.

The other two mentions nothing about the certificate. They are in 2 litre and 5 litre containers and only the one of each.

[carragheendexters]

Hi outofthebox,

yes it can be very confusing to someone outside of the Australian system and also to Australians who are new to cattle.

So to answer your questions, yes it is necessary to have NVD's for nearly all circumstances of cattle ownership, there are only 2 exceptions of cattle ownership where NVD's won't be required, these were explained to me by the auditor when we had our farm audit.

The first is if an animal is going to spend its entire life on the one property till it dies, whether it is slaughtered as a home kill, or dies a natural death.

The other is if the animal is going to be sold for slaughter for pet meat

It is all to do with lifetime traceability, and lifetime record keeping of that animal, the rationale of which is twofold. The first is in case the animal ends up in the food chain, (there is no guarantee that a particular animal will never end up being slaughtered for meat) and the other is for biosecurity in case of a notifiable disease outbreak.

In the first link you posted there is  a paragraph towards the beginning that clearly states that a copy of an NVD is to be available for any animal that is being offered for sale or going for slaughter.

Also the following comes direct from the LHPA  (now known as the LLS)website

National Vendor Declarations

National Vendor Declarations (NVDs) are required for any movement of stock that is to be sold – to processors, to saleyards or for private sales.

So you can see that it clearly states that for the sale of any cattle, an NVD is required. This applies to whether it is a whole herd going for slaughter or a single heifer being sold privately.

This is our regulations, even for the small time (or hobby farmer as you call them) breeder that sells a single animal.

The auditor was also saying how much time and money is spent and wasted on trying to chase up those small time "hobby farmer" type people who sell cattle without NVDs.

Now this is where it starts to get complicated and where the record keeping starts. To acquire NVDs, you have to be part of the LPA Assurance Program and this is where the requirement for a Chemcert comes in. To comply with LPA Assurance you have to hold a Chemcert for doing any animal treatments.

There are 5 components that you must comply with and this comes under the second requirement "The Safe and Responsible Treatment of Animals"

So basicly what it boils down to is that even if you are a small herd owner (even just a cow or 2), and you intend on ever selling any animal, even as a pet down the road,

you have to have NVDs (and supply them with the sale) and be enrolled in the LPA Assurance Program, and hold a Chemcert.

Now getting back to your original question, any responsible Dexter breeder who sells an animal will always supply a complete history of the animal including any records of all treatments, vet visits etc to the new owners

regards Louise

 

[outofthebox]

That it must be when you have two statements on the same page:

TSS (Transported Stock Statement)
What is it?
This is the form/permit you must fill out when transporting stock anywhere in NSW. It provides all the necessary information to satisfy regulations regarding stock ownership in transit, the carrier and the destination of the stock. A copy must be kept for 2 years.

National Vendor Declaration (NVD)/Waybill
What is it?
The LPA (Livestock Production Assurance program) NVD/Waybill is the main document upholding Australia's meat and livestock food safety reputation, ensuring consumers can be confident in the safety and quality of their red meat.

[carragheendexters]

Ah, yes, outofthebox, it can be very confusing for those not familiar with the regulations.

What you are quoting about TSS and covering the regulations regarding ownership, destination etc isn't explained at all. What this is all about is if you are transporting your own animals such as to a show or to another property owned by you, it will cover you if you  are pulled over by the Livestock Police and your paperwork is checked. You see it is illegal to transport any stock without some form of paperwork to cover ownership and their movement. You may not wish to use an NVD just for transporting your own animals about from one property to another when it may be just up the road or on the other side of town, as they are more expensive to purchase and a lot more information has to be recorded.

I will reproduce the part from the LHPA (now known as LSS) website for you in its entirety.

National Vendor Declarations

National Vendor Declarations (NVDs) are required for any movement of stock that is to be sold – to processors, to saleyards or for private sales.

They can also be used for movements of stock between properties with different Property Identification Codes (PICs) if a Transported Stock Statement is not used, for example in the case of agistment or local movements.

Producers must obtain NVD documents through Meat and Livestock Australia's Livestock Production Assurance scheme. Visit the Meat and Livestock Australia website or call their hotline on 1800 683 111.

Stock movements accompanied by an NVD do not require a Transported Stock Statement (TSS).

Transported Stock Statements

A Transported Stock Statement (TSS) is required fro any movement of stock without an National Vendor Declaration ((NDV), e.g. transporting stock for agistment. Transported Stock Statements can be purchased from your Local Land Services office

You see, an NVD can be used in all cases of stock movement as it has a waybill built into it as a section to be completed, whereas a (TSS Transported Stock Statement)

is only a waybill, and can only be used to cover the movement when an animal doesn't change ownership, such as going to an agistment property, between 2 properties owned by the same person, going to shows, or field days. However having said that, some agricultural show societies are now asking for NVD's to be able to exhibit at shows, TSS are no longer adequate.

TSS have very limited useage, NVD's are a much better document to have and to use, especially if selling animals when it is a necessity

 

As it states above, an NVD is to be used when stock are sold, whether for slaughter, to a saleyard or as a private sale.

You must be Australian with the interest that you are showing in this subject. Are you new to cattle and Dexters?

regards Louise