ICBF Bull of the Week - Cornahir Outlaw

[kansasdexters]

The Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (ICBF) has named the Dexter bull, Cornahir Outlaw, as its "Bull of the Week": www.icbf.com/?p=1765

Many of you may have this Irish Dexter bull in the pedigrees of your registered Dexter cattle. Carol Davidson was the Canadian Dexter breeder that imported semen from this bull in 1994, and made it available to Dexter breeders in Canada and the United States.

Here is some additional information on him that was published in a 1994 American Dexter Cattle Association Bulletin:

"RED BULL FROM IRELAND MAKES CANADIAN DEBUT - Semen will be arriving in Canada in early August from the Cornahir herd, County Westmeath, Eire (Ireland). This herd is based on animals imported from Britain in the late 1960's to Dr. Spillane from County Kerry on the Killarney Lakes. Dexters were once again at the very spot from which they had first originated. Dr. Spillane's Dexters (St. Gobnaits was his herd prefix) were used on a genetic research project. Once the project was completed, his herd was sold to Dr. David Couper of County Westmeath. Dr. Couper has been registering Dexters since 1974 under the herd name "Cornahir". The Cornahir herd contains the few remaining "old reds" which have rich, dark red coats, black noses, feet and horn tips instead of the pink noses and feet common on reds today. Dr. Couper's Dexters roam unhindered on hundreds of acres, and to see some 30 cows loom out of the early morning mist, their white horns shining, is to be transported back to the Dexters of long ago as they were when they lived around the shores of Kerry. Cornahir Outlaw's arrival in Canada is the culmination of seven years of negotiations with Dr. Couper and the various governments concerned. Cornahir Outlaw descends from the Shadwell herd of Mr. Tetley (the prominant English ale and tea import family) and represents a chance for breeders to merge their lines with one of England's top old herds as well as to have a new genetic source for red."


Patti

[zephyrhillsusan]

Thanks for sharing this. We have him in several of our animals' pedigrees: our bull, one cow, and the other cow's heifer (through her sire). The other cow doesn't have him, but of course her progeny will from now on, through our bull. He's the same dark red, which if I understand correctly is the wild type? We obviously owe cddexter a big thank you!

I tried to see if the link told more about why he was chosen as bull of the week, but couldn't find anything. I appreciate having the link to the good color photo. It's sometimes hard to find good, clear photos of some of the foundation sires. I think they can be useful for reference points on conformation.

[cddexter]

....thx, Patti. Sometimes I guess I do do the right thing. me.

[cddexter]

a couple of you have indicated you liked my comment...

Thanks. Actually, the bit about seven years really was true. The assumption that if you live in North America, you are rich, and the ability to move goal posts because you are holding all the cards, pretty well sums it up: I paid for Outlaw twice because the breeder said the purchase money went to pay for his keep while waiting to go into the collection center (out there in the field eating grass with the rest of the herd): pay up again or no bull. Then there was the fiasco of finding a hauler and paying for that, which included the 'cost' of getting the bull from the field to the truck... And the home stretch read like a soap opera with semen tank being left on the airport apron as the plane flew away...

I don't (b)itch too much, just close my eyes and slog through. Buying Outlaw, then getting him to the collection center, then dealing with red tape, and then getting the semen here had my eyes closed a lot! It's not usually anywhere near that hard. In his case, let's just say I'm glad to hear the outcome justified the challenges.

The bull I really wanted to bring over was black/red roan all over. This was all before the color locus was found and no one knew about or understood the E+ gene, and I could just hear the 'experts' having a field day so settled on Outlaw instead.

I think it was Margaret Weir who said she was getting excess white from Outlaw, but I have pics of the whole herd, and there isn't a white hair between them. Someone else said they used Outlaw to get rid of white...

cheers c.

[zephyrhillsusan]

Quite a story! It makes me appreciate his contribution to our herd even more, knowing "the rest of the story," as Paul Harvey used to say.

[copperhead]

Yep, I also really enjoyed hearing the whole story, sometimes we just think it's all so easy.

[Deleted]

Apr 4, 2014 13:43:27 GMT -5 zephyrhillsusan said:

Thanks for sharing this. We have him in several of our animals' pedigrees: our bull, one cow, and the other cow's heifer (through her sire). The other cow doesn't have him, but of course her progeny will from now on, through our bull. He's the same dark red, which if I understand correctly is the wild type? We obviously owe cddexter a big thank you!

I tried to see if the link told more about why he was chosen as bull of the week, but couldn't find anything. I appreciate having the link to the good color photo. It's sometimes hard to find good, clear photos of some of the foundation sires. I think they can be useful for reference points on conformation.

He is in Daggett's Pride our bull's pedigree, and one of our cows Tolfree Farms D4, alias Daisy. Pride is the deep red, I will have to study more on the wild type. Interesting!

[wagradexters]

Apr 4, 2014 17:28:32 GMT -5 cddexter said:

....thx, Patti. Sometimes I guess I do do the right thing. me.

Hi Carol, I'm sure you do, but this time you got the names wrong. I said I have used CO on several occasions to get rid of the white, which is inherent in another red line.

What I will say about CO is that those of his offspring in my experience object to being confined. No matter how friendly and placid in the paddock, they always play up in the crush, just about break my arm doing AI, but take on the first straw everytime, no adrenalin, just demonstating indignation. Understandable. 
Margaret Weir

[cddexter]

Hi Margaret: checked and HUMBLE apologies. a different margaret. Please consider your name cleared of such sillyness. cheers, me.

[dollarlessbill]

hay low carol way up there, has the snow melted yet? Yep its me I am still wast n air down here in ky. glad to see u still up and running too. How about John P. ant heard from him in five full moons, "A" ?

bout CO bull I am glad u went the meg miles and fetched his semen over to us, from the start he was one of my favorites and I pounded the ground until I got some semen in the tank (and still got some) I had a old cow that was 3/4 OL and she was the best of the best of cows and produced many very nice offsprings..

We are in a joint venture now, Paul Sexton and myself are in progress of breed n a heifer with
ol semen and one with platinum semen, yea I scrounged up some that too bac in the old days. so we r goin to bring someold blood up to date. really excited about the breeding to see the outcome.

[Olga]

My trick of "understanding by context" from the old days when I first came to the US sure came in handy in understanding all that, dollarlessbill.

[legendrockranch]

Hi Bill, this is Barbara in Texas. Boy it's sure been a long time since we've heard from you. Glad to see you back at it!

On a side note in regards to Cornahir Outlaw, I saw on face book that Outlaw has been removed from the hit list of upgraded bulls, it's about time. The poster on FB was Judy - Legacy
One other bull that was removed was Saturn of Knotting

Barb

Edited to add posters name and another bull

[dollarlessbill]

olga, well it was probally more like the younger days or I should say the better health days,,, this is bill here glad to meet u. administrator your title says,, don't beliv any thing u read bout me on previous post n from the old days either??? if u can remember coming to the new world did u no Columbus ?


And Barbara in texas, how the heck r u ? hope well been 27 dark moons sence I talked with u. I c u have got the red,polled thing happ n in texas nice look n girls their too I will add...judy ? that makes a knock n noise on the side of my head,,, got to love her fer her commitment in her beleaf.

now who removed the bulls from the bastard list Judy or some other party and made them legit ?

and yea I hav been practice n my spell n too,,,, Bill

[zephyrhillsusan]

On a side note in regards to Cornahir Outlaw, I saw on face book that Outlaw has been removed from the hit list of upgraded bulls, it's about time. The poster on FB was Judy - Legacy
One other bull that was removed was Saturn of Knotting


Read more: dextercattle.proboards.com/thread/3995/icbf-bull-week-cornahir-outlaw#ixzz36Rawhaqd

Hey, legendrockranch, where on Facebook did you find that?  I checked FB and couldn't find a Legacy page, only Judy's personal account.  There were several recent posts about upgrading, more in the vein of denouncing them.  I didn't see anything about Cornahir Outlaw and Saturn of Knotting specifically.  Do you have a link?

[legendrockranch]

Susan sent you a pm