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Post by kansasdexters on Sept 23, 2014 19:32:12 GMT -5
If a foreign bull has a 62-ancestor, 5-generation, all fully and properly registered in the main pedigree herd book of his country of origin, then he may be eligible for use in the United States and his offspring may be eligible for registration with the American Dexter Cattle Association, if he is properly genotyped. That is the current requirement.
Patti
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Post by hollydzie on Sept 23, 2014 21:59:24 GMT -5
thanks Patti I was not sure of how it actually work myself. Thanks for clarifying
Holly
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Post by RedRidge on Sept 24, 2014 6:20:25 GMT -5
Excellent post Jeff
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Post by carragheendexters on Sept 24, 2014 19:24:11 GMT -5
Thanks for that Patti, I wasn't sure if I was interpreting the requirements correctly. So by that, an upgraded bull from Australia, is eligible for acceptance in ADCA for use in US as long as it satisfies all of the requirements, ie of the 5 generation pedigree of fully registered ancestors, and DNA and parent verified is not a problem for us, as you know it is a requirement for our registration. If the 5 gen pedigree were all Australian bred animals then the pedigree would be proven for those 5 generations. That word "may" though, what exactly does that mean?
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Post by kansasdexters on Sept 24, 2014 19:53:23 GMT -5
The word "may" means that imported bull semen still needs to be officially "accepted" into the ADCA registry. The Board may recommend to accept or to not accept, and to consider offspring eligible for registration or not. So anyone thinking about importing semen should first have it cleared with the Registrar and make sure that all of the required documentation is available to support their request.
Patti
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Post by carragheendexters on Sept 24, 2014 23:03:38 GMT -5
So, even though this theoretical bull satisfies the criteria, if the board decides they don't want an up graded bull allowed in, then they can veto it? Is it put to the vote of the whole board, or how do they come to the decision of what is allowed and what isn't allowed?. If the board changes membership, then decisions could change from one year to the next? Just trying to understand how the decisions would be made. Our rules are cut and dried, if the bull satisfies the criteria, certified 5 gen pedigree, DNA'd, PHA free, chondro status known, etc, (I think these are the requirements for over here, not sure if this is the complete list) I think the requirements are a little different for accredited semen for public use and semen by private treaty, then it would be allowed regardless of whether the current council agreed or not, as they have to follow the regs.
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Post by kansasdexters on Sept 25, 2014 7:06:27 GMT -5
If the imported bull semen satisfies all the current criteria, then approval can be a "cut and dry" decision, with the Board review done to assure that all the criteria are met. However, if the documentation isn't complete, or if there are outstanding concerns, or if registration requirements are in the process of being modified or amended, then there may be some obstacles to getting approval.
It makes sense to find out ahead of time (by asking the Registrar and Board) if there are any potential objections or concerns, then address and resolve those, before importing the semen.
Patti
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Post by cddexter on Sept 25, 2014 19:38:55 GMT -5
For instance, Louise, Platinum, based on his official DCS extended pedigree, qualified for entry. However, he was polled. There was nothing in the ADCA regs to say he couldn't be imported, but you can bet if the Board had been given (or gave itself) the right of veto, this could have been nasty. I'd say that if the criteria are met, the BoD would have a hard time justifying saying no, and if history is anything to go by, the threat of a lawsuit to hold their feet to the fire would probably be enough for them to back off and follow the protocol.
As you point out, a lot depends on the makeup (and prejudices) of the BoD of the time. c.
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Post by carragheendexters on Sept 27, 2014 17:43:55 GMT -5
Thankyou Patti and Carol for explaining, I understand now. The word "may" is a very open word, and I wondered how it worked in reality.
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