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Post by Cascade Meadows Farm - Kirk on Aug 7, 2015 10:16:23 GMT -5
UC Davis Veterinary Genetics Lab has concluded the DNA breed analysis of Saltaire Platinum " Breed analyses provide no evidence of a genetic background other than Dexter." They specifically looked for Angus and many other breeds, and they found NO trace of Angus, Ayrshire, British White, Charolais, Friesian, Gelbvieh, Hereford, Jersey, Limousin, Maine Anjou, Shorthorn, Simmental and Texas Longhorn. They also compared Saltaire Platinum with "Traditional and Legacy" Dexters in the Legacy Database, and found that he matched them very well. Saltaire Platinum is pure dexter www.facebook.com/download/1695176040711868/Saltaire%20Platinum%20-%20NC27294.pdfPS. Special thanks to the importers of Saltaire Platinum who selected such an excellent tested-PURE Dexter bull. |
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Post by legendrockranch on Aug 7, 2015 12:04:10 GMT -5
What WONDERFUL news, I saw the post last night and was elated with the findings.
I would like to thank all who were involved in this process. Somehow being thankful isn't enough though, I just wish there was a way for me to show my gratitude.
Barb
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Post by midhilldexters on Aug 7, 2015 14:33:35 GMT -5
Couldn't be happier about this. Science is a wonderful thing! I hope the ADCA and every Dexter breed Society publishes the information.
Huge thanks to those involved, great day in Dexter History.
Carol K
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Post by Cascade Meadows Farm - Kirk on Aug 7, 2015 14:55:43 GMT -5
The traditionalists who were concerned about breed purity, should be VERY HAPPY about this. They no longer have to worry about Saltaire Platinum hurting the purity of the breed. Now those traditionalists can just focus on breeding the horned phenotypes they like, even if Saltaire Platinum is on their pedigrees. Saltaire Platinum has lots of traditionally horned descendants who don't have a polled gene.
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Post by marion on Aug 7, 2015 14:58:45 GMT -5
Thanks Patti Adams, for doing this important test and sharing the results. marion  |
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Post by midhilldexters on Aug 7, 2015 15:27:24 GMT -5
Kirk I so agree with you, but somehow I don't think they will see it that way, which is a shame. I think the best thing for me is, they have nothing to whine over now so they need to let go of the drama over polled and move on.
Carol K
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Aug 7, 2015 18:22:36 GMT -5
I wish you were right, Kirk, but I hate to say that I think midhilldexters is right. After I wrote that, I thought maybe I'm being too cynical and decided to check the "other" forum to see what's being said. Sadly, it looks like I was right.  I would smack myself for being a cynic, except I was right. So maybe that's not cynicism, just realism?  kansasdexters, I see that the report is in your name. Are you the one who had the testing done? And are you the one to ask for permission to share this document? I would love to share it on my blog as long as I have permission. |
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Post by cddexter on Aug 7, 2015 21:04:15 GMT -5
Hats off and a huge thanks to Patti. That's what 'pure' research is all about. She had no idea what the results would be, but was willing to risk it to get genuine answers.
Patti, will you be sharing this with the Brits? Especially Duncan?
What was the old saying, " there are none so blind as those who will not see". Susan's right: anything to keep the game alive. If Dexters in general share a gene with Angus and Shorthorn, and Platinum carries it, it automaticaly makes him a crossbred. I guess you could say the same about black and red: that's another gene that's shared with a lot of breeds, and using this warped logic, any Dexter than has a black or red coat gene is really at least 1/2 Angus or 1/2 Shorthorn, or maybe Holstein, or some other breed. Unfortunately, there are those who are so caught up in the agenda, they'd rather look like illogical fools than acknowledge the science. Without Platinu to love to hate, think how boring their lives will be.
thoughts from those same old tide pools, c.
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Post by copperhead on Aug 7, 2015 21:12:43 GMT -5
Hats off to you, Patti. I do hope this helps settle some of the fight, but, I think they enjoy it too much to give up one inch.
P.J.
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Post by RedRidge on Aug 8, 2015 11:34:16 GMT -5
Susan, what "other" forum are you referring to? I have read nothing about this anywhere else
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Post by midhilldexters on Aug 8, 2015 14:42:56 GMT -5
Sheri there is a discussion on FB on the Dexter cattle enthusiasts page.
Carol K
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Aug 8, 2015 19:56:31 GMT -5
Sheri, it's been discussed on Dexter Cattle World, also.
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Post by cddexter on Aug 8, 2015 21:30:18 GMT -5
We understand the importance of the results. What is needed is recognition of the science by those who slavishly follow pedigrees, and want to be special.
Instead what we are getting is all sorts of misrepresentations about how
~Platinum descendants are included in the comparison study so of course he matches (NOT TRUE: Patti specifically excluded his descendants from the study; Platinum matches the profile of 'pure' Dexters in the 'Traditional' pattern),
~one Y chromosome isolated gene not part of the main study can be found in several English breeds including Dexter, so Platinum must be crossbred to carry it (NOT TRUE: many Dexters carry this gene, including if they tested for it, those supposedly pure Dexters being touted as special by the purists),
~Platinum's pedigree has crossing in it, so he can never be 'pure' (NOT TRUE: UCD found NO evidence of crossing, which the boffins say if there was any, it's so far back as to be undetectable. If it's undectable, then his genetic makeup matches the makeup of the paper 'pure' Dexters. That makes him their equal.
What Patti has done is three-fold:
(a) She's had the courage and integrity to perform a test and carry through on her promise to make the results public, regardless of outcome.
(b) Those results exhonorate Platinum: not what the 'purists' want to hear.
(c) The results prove that even if there is outcrossing somewhere back there (he has a legitimate appendix animal way back), with enough time and serious consideration to trait selection, that crossing becomes a non-issue (Kirk's been pointing this out for years...).
This last is spectacular proof that any Dexter with a Judy-questionable pedigree is actually just as pure as her self-syled 'pure' Dexters that she's trying to promote to the brainwashed gullible.
Yes, maintaining old lines is important, but not to the point of discrediting 98% of all other Dexters in the process. Patti has provided proof that the whole purist issue is of artificial paper purity, not genetic purity. If Platinum's dna matches the dna of some animal that is considered special because it (on paper) descends directly from 1905, then there is no difference between the two. I guess that kills a really clever, hot marketing scheme...
Cheers, c.
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Post by Cascade Meadows Farm - Kirk on Aug 9, 2015 10:08:35 GMT -5
Perhaps we should test Lucifer of Knotting next... Anyone have any of his DNA?
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Post by kansasdexters on Aug 9, 2015 17:08:26 GMT -5
Yup.
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I would smack myself for being a cynic, except I was right. So maybe that's not cynicism, just realism? 
