Yogi and his daughters

[Lynne Simpson 180Farm FaberVA]

Since we are mainly for beef, I have not been concerned with registering progeny, but did make sure to keep our closed herd purebred Dexter.  Might be wishing I had gone to the trouble of registering the females... 

Our initial registered heifers (ADCA #'s 022851, 022852, 022853, 022854) and their progeny have only been bred to registered Dexter Bulls (Big Mac #10629, Ace of Clovebrook #14152 and presently Shamrock Yogi #027644).

If I find the right owner, I would like to sell either the handsome, gentle, very fertile registered Yogi OR four of his lovely year-old purebred unregistered daughters.  

Any idea what I should charge for Yogi's unregistered daughters? 

Much more than I really want to do, but if I did want to register his daughters, would I have to DNA test each one of them and both parents, and register them all?

Thank you for info or opining!

Lynne Simpson

Faber, VA

[kansasdexters]

Hi Lynne,

Your bull, Shamrock Yogi, is already genotyped and "on file" with the ADCA. This is indicated on his ADCA Online Pedigree page, where it says "Sire Qualifies":

www.dextercattle.org/pedigreedb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=027644&OwnerName=Simpson&OwnerState=VA&SearchFor=1&Page=1&Sort=6

None of your ADCA registered cows have been genotyped or tested for PHA or Chondrodysplasia (no genetic testing has been reported to the ADCA) and they are all potential PHA-carriers that should be tested to determine if they are PHA carrier or non-carrier (this is optional testing, but highly recommended). Glenn Land Miss Fudge was a PHA-carrier, Cranworth Xanadu was a PHA-carrier, Shome Xanadu's Andi was a PHA-carrier, so all your cows have ancestors on both their sire and dam lines that could have passed on PHA, and the only way to know their status (carrier or noncarrier), is to test for it:

www.dextercattle.org/pedigreedb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=022852&OwnerName=Simpson&OwnerState=VA&SearchFor=1&Page=1&Sort=6

www.dextercattle.org/pedigreedb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=022853&OwnerName=Simpson&OwnerState=VA&SearchFor=1&Page=1&Sort=6

www.dextercattle.org/pedigreedb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=022854&OwnerName=Simpson&OwnerState=VA&SearchFor=1&Page=1&Sort=6

www.dextercattle.org/pedigreedb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=022851&OwnerName=Simpson&OwnerState=VA&SearchFor=1&Page=1&Sort=6

If any of those cows test as PHA-carrier, then their offspring, that are sired by a PHA non-carrier, have a 50% chance of being PHA-carriers (and a 50% chance of being PHA non-carriers) and should be tested for PHA to determine their status. If you intend to sell registered breeding stock, it is important to know what their PHA status is, prior to registration, even though it is not required for registration. You can also have them genotyped and compared to the genotype of their sire, so that they can be registered as "Sire Qualifies". If you genotype their dams (which is not required, but highly recommended), you can have them Sire and Dam Qualified (G5), and assure yourself and others, that they have been registered with the correct sire and dam.

If you are registering offspring from your original cows, that were AI-sired by ADCA registered bulls, those bulls have already been genotyped (since that is required of AI bulls). It would be wise to genotype the cows (even though it is not required), to assure yourself that they are registered with the correct sire of record (since mistakes can happen with AI breeding). If you have genotyped their dams, then they can be Sire and Dam Qualified, after you genotype them and request a parentage analysis from the lab. If they are over 2 years of age, you will have to pay a late registration fee, when you register them. You should register the registration-eligible cows before you attempt to register their offspring. Once the cows are registered, then it's a cake walk to register their offspring.

Here is the ADCA registration guide for cows and heifers: www.dextercattle.org/edu/how_to/registration_basics_for_heifers_and_cows.pdf

[littlecowfl]

When I first got into Dexters, I hadn't heard about PHA and had to get three cows, and their offspring, tested. The genotyping is more recent, and we all had to get that done, but it does help protect the breed. Testing costs can add up quickly, but since registered Dexters sell for about $1,000 around here, it was well worth it. They might even be more expensive in your area.

Unregistered heifers go for price per pound in most areas, which isn't helpful in small breeds.