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Oct 9, 2007 20:47:58 GMT -5
Post by copperhead on Oct 9, 2007 20:47:58 GMT -5
what does everyone use to worm their cattle with?? I have used pour on Ivermec for the past couple of years and I think I am supposed to switch off to a type that has a different base ingredient. I have switched back and forth from Ivermec and Cydectin but I found out that they have the same main ingredient, so what is a brand name of something different?? Thanks, P.J.
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Oct 10, 2007 17:28:23 GMT -5
Post by liz on Oct 10, 2007 17:28:23 GMT -5
Ok PJ this is sure to cause some controversy ...but here goes I do not worm my adult cows at all unless they have another problem and start losing condition. Adult cattle should be able to support a worm load if they are in good health etc. Their own immune system takes care of stuff. If they do have mange or show signs that stomach worms are a problem, I use a pour on Ivomec product called 'epronex' which technically has no with drawl and really is limited to stomach and round worms and external parasites. We do fecal testing to check. I do worm the calves if they show signs of tape worm, and use 'valbazon' (trade name). However, having said all this, coccidiosis is a problem here and we use a bolus on young calves that show any signs. It will be interesting to hear other responses! Liz
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Oct 10, 2007 22:29:57 GMT -5
Post by Olga on Oct 10, 2007 22:29:57 GMT -5
Hi, Liz and P.J. I started using pour-on Cydectin, once a year, when the cows are eating the new grass down to the ground, in spring. The rest of the time I use a pour-on UltraBoss, but that's external only - hate those little gnats and flies! I've done a couple of injectable Dectomax before, usually during a vet visit - but that was before I found out that no injectable is approved for dairy cattle. But it's still a very good option for rotation on bulls and steers. As mentioned in a different post, IvomacPlus also gets rid of liver flukes, if they are a problem. Personally, don't know nothing about that. Had a calf get coccidia within the first month of life last year - vet was surprised, and we both guessed it was from too-eager grazing of short grass near the barn. A few coccidia specific boluses took care of the problem.
Here is info on Elector, a new external parasite spray that's approved for dairy cattle. On the 2nd page, it contains an example of rotation program for parasite prevention. To the left of the table, on the bottom, there is an explanation of the terms:
*Endectocides are products that are active against internal and external parasites. Common endectocide brands include Ivomec®, Dectomax®, Eprinex® and Cydectin®. **Common pyrethroid brands include CyLence®, Saber®, Ultra Boss®, Permectrin®, Durasect® and Atroban®. ***Common organophosphate brands include Co-Ral®, Rabon® and Ravap®.
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Oct 11, 2007 10:04:46 GMT -5
Post by copperhead on Oct 11, 2007 10:04:46 GMT -5
hey girls (ladies?) I'm in accordance with you Liz on the worming, except that I do like to worm in the fall. I guess I want everone clean before we go into winter. I took a cattlemans class this last fall and they reccomended swaping around you type of wormer, so thats what I was wondering about as to the name brands. The ones I've used are the ones that have Macrocyclic Lactones, the brand names all end in "tin" so I was going to try a different type if anyone else used it. I think the therory is that they might build up a resistance to the same wormer if used all the time. I really don't have a problem, but being from the old school, I just gotta worm em. I do have the luxury of have several different pastures that I can rotate, and that helps with the worm problem more than anything else, I think. What causes liver flukes, I've always heard of them, but I don't think they are a problem in this area. Olga, does that pour on work pretty good for the flies, the horn flies are driving my herd crazy, I have a back rubber for them but the flies just stay down on their belly.
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Oct 11, 2007 14:05:26 GMT -5
Post by legendrockranch on Oct 11, 2007 14:05:26 GMT -5
Hi PJ The only thing I've really found that helped with horn flies are fly tags in the ear.....Well yes there is one other alternative I've found, polled animals
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Nov 6, 2007 9:34:13 GMT -5
Post by Cloverbell on Nov 6, 2007 9:34:13 GMT -5
I only worm in spring with a Cydectin pour on and put up the back rubber and put in new ear tags then too. I may switch around the wormer next spring.
Do you really think it needs to be done in fall too?
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Nov 6, 2007 9:48:12 GMT -5
Post by anthony on Nov 6, 2007 9:48:12 GMT -5
HEalthy animals shouldn't have to be wormed period but if you feel like you must the best time is a couple weeks after spring green up according to a bunch of experts. The egg cysts get active and the cows ingest them, you clean them out and the load is down for a good long time. I understand a lot of folks do it before winter but.. Seems like a waste of money.
If you want to cylce your wormer you should try safeguard or something like that every other time. You can get it in mineral, in a feed through pellet or in a oral applicaiton..
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