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Post by copperhead on Aug 2, 2009 21:34:09 GMT -5
I have used a cheap pour on Ivermectin this year and I'm wondering if anyone else has used it. It is called Iver-pour or something like that and it's only about $37.00 for a big bottle instead of $90.00 for the Ivermec. I posted about a steer that I can't seem to get any weight on and I'm wondering if maybe this stuff doesn 't work as good so maybe they are still wormy. I read the ingredients and it seemed to be the same product, but........... any thoughts?
P.J.
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Post by ctownson on Aug 3, 2009 5:23:17 GMT -5
My vet only recommends injectables now and doesn't think the pour-ons are nearly as effective. I am moving in that direction with my herd. The vet says there are studies coming out now that demonstrate the pour ons are not as effective. With the injection, you at least know for sure that the dose is getting in the cows.
charles
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Post by Clive on Aug 3, 2009 6:41:26 GMT -5
Everyone around here worms regularly but we test the dung samples and only worm if there are any. The vet does the test or there is a special laboratory around by us (We're in the UK). Result is that we never worm. We have wormed our cattle once in 6 years and that was only because they looked a bit off and it was a holiday time, so I just wormed them instead of waiting. Same with sheep, hardly ever worm. We cross graze sheep/cattle.
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Post by copperhead on Aug 3, 2009 12:57:31 GMT -5
We're all still using the pour on, but I'm starting to question it myself, I'll check with the vet and see what he uses for the injectable. I graze goats with my cows, but the grass hasnt gotten tall enough this year for any worms to crawl up on the blades. I usually only worm in the fall so that if they have any they won't have to try to support them through the winter.
Thanks for the feed back........P.J.
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Post by susytx on Aug 3, 2009 15:17:35 GMT -5
We wormed just one of our cows because she seemed a bit thin, and it does seemed to have helped (next would have been a vet call). We used Safe-Guard pellets, very easy and doesn't hurt the dung beetles. We've never used any other wormers.
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Post by ctownson on Aug 3, 2009 16:09:23 GMT -5
We also rotate the wormer, never using the same one more than 2 times in a row. We worm twice a year, April and November typically. The Fall worming occurs after we have had a few good "killing frosts". This helps with resistance that builds up.
charles
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Post by kansasdexters on Aug 3, 2009 22:56:38 GMT -5
PJ,
If you suspect that your pour-on dewormer isn't doing the job, take a manure sample to your vet and have him check it under the microscope. If the worm eggs are numerous, he will be able to see them and recommend proper treatment.
We use an injectible wormer (Dectomax) with all our calves at 4 - 5 months of age. We use a pour-on (Cydectin or Dectomax) with their dams, given at the same time as the calves are treated. We also periodically have the vet check on manure samples for worm eggs and we've had consistently good results -- so we know that our parasite control program is working. We treat for internal/external parasites in the Spring, usually mid-April, and again in the Fall, usually early in November.
Patti
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Post by legendrockranch on Aug 4, 2009 21:15:13 GMT -5
We also take manure samples in and have them tested, I just wait at the vets office and get the results.
My vet is not fond of pour-ons he just doesn't think they are that effective. However we use Cydectin pour-on in the spring only, follow up by a oral Fenbendazole (Panacur or Safequard) in fall.
Please take note on the what the insert for Cydectin says if you have cattle grubs. A copy of it is pasted below.
CYDECTIN Pour-On is effective against the migrating stage of cattle grubs (Hypoderma larvae). Treatment with CYDECTIN Pour-On during the period when grubs are migrating through vital areas may cause undesirable host-parasite reactions. Killing H. lineatum when they are located in peri-esophageal tissues may cause bloat. Killing H. bovis when they are in the vertebral canal may cause staggering or hindlimb paralysis. Cattle should be treated as soon as possible after heel fly (warble fly) season to avoid this potential problem. Cattle treated with CYDECTIN Pour-On at the end of fly season can be re-treated during the winter without danger of grub-related reactions. Consult your veterinarian for more information regarding these secondary grub reactions and the correct time to treat with CYDECTIN Pour-On.
Barb
Legend Rock Ranch
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Post by copperhead on Aug 4, 2009 22:15:28 GMT -5
Lots of good info, thanks everyone. Most of my cattle look good, but there are a few calves that haven't shed off yet, they are till scruffy looking so I wondered about worms......I'll gather some samples to take to the vet and see what he says..
P.J.
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Post by ctownson on Aug 5, 2009 5:31:54 GMT -5
As Gene suggested, pasture rotation has the potential to make a big difference too. Both in the parasite load and the quality of your grass. I have just finished cross fencing both of my pastures so I effectively have 4 separate areas now to graze the dexters. With a bull, you do have some limits obviously, but I am trying more intensive grazing and rotation this year.
charles
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Post by wstevenl on Aug 5, 2009 15:38:45 GMT -5
We're rotating daily for this reason but most of all for the pasture rest period.
We're currently on about a 65 day rotation and for most of our animals it seems to be working really well but we had to worm some and treat them for coccidiosis. I think the problem was that they spent all winter at the barn. This year we're hoping for a much longer grazing season after it cools off. We'll see how it goes.
By the way, you don't really need to make many paddocks, just partition off your grazing strips with step in posts and polywire. Our cattle all respect a polywire at 32 inches high now, even if it isn't hot! Heck, our gilt wouldn't even go under it. We have two long rectangular paddocks and divide them into daily paddocks with two polywires,200 ft long, and 4 step in pigtail posts.
What did you mean by having limits with a bull?
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Post by ctownson on Aug 5, 2009 17:00:06 GMT -5
Well, I always have some young heifers or cows that are related to the bull such that they cannot go into the same pasture with him. Thus, I can't put all the cows into a single pasture with the bull. I have basically separated my dexters into 2 groups - ones that can be in with the bull, and ones that cannot (for one reason or another). I also like my cows to give birth in a particular pasture where I can get to the calf quickly and also isolate them with the mom after birth. This limits my pasture options sometimes as well.
charles
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