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Post by jdcarnathan on Jul 8, 2014 20:01:06 GMT -5
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Post by cddexter on Jul 8, 2014 20:05:13 GMT -5
ah, always willing to look like an ass: ambivalent on left, think so on right. cheers, c.
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Post by marion on Jul 8, 2014 20:27:05 GMT -5
I have a heifer that looks a lot like those, and she tested non-chondro. Even so, I'm guessing both those girls are carriers  ..marion |
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Post by legendrockranch on Jul 8, 2014 20:35:33 GMT -5
Envious of all that green grass. My guess would be that they both would be carriers.
Barb
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Post by Olga on Jul 8, 2014 23:22:14 GMT -5
My guess is yes, on both. Great looking gals!
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Post by cddexter on Jul 8, 2014 23:43:11 GMT -5
One of the primary things I used to look for was the curve above the outside of the hock. In the left pic, see how short the curve is compared to the black cow behind? But her face seems to have length. I'm sure the others are right...Olga has this incredible 'eye'. I'd back her opinion any day. cheers, c.
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Post by Olga on Jul 9, 2014 1:37:55 GMT -5
Thanks, C.!  I have been wrong before, even with my own, but testing ourselves like this is how we learn! Here are 2 pics of non-ch. heifers of about the same age.   Since neither picture is an exact profile, I'm concentrating my attention on the difference in the rumps, specifically the distance between the hip bone the the pin bone. All that glossy hair and sunshine make it difficult though... |
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 9, 2014 5:09:44 GMT -5
I'd guess yes to both, however the heifer on her own is a little less obvious.
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Post by cddexter on Jul 9, 2014 7:27:53 GMT -5
haha hans, that's the one that looked the most dwarfy to me. Look at the face (no nose length to speak of with a 'dish' to it), and almost zero neck and chubby too. Such fun. Thanks Jonathon. cheers, c.
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Post by carragheendexters on Jul 9, 2014 8:44:35 GMT -5
OK, my "guess" is that the 2nd one definitely is, and the first one, mmmm, I will go with yes. BUT, it depends on the breeding of the heifers, I'd love to see the sire and dam and know their status. I like to look at them front one, and look at their angles of scapula to point of shoulder and how it lays against the brisket etc, to help decide.
Carol, can you explain more what you mean about the curve. Do you mean the curve hamstring side of the leg , above the hock?
Olga, can you explain the difference of rump length that you look for?
Anyone else got explanations for their decisions, and photos to show what they mean?
Maybe if we have photos or could do some sketches to explain what we mean it would be great for everyone to understand.
I'm off to look for some photos to show the difference in the forequarters. if I find them tonight , I will start a new thread.
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Post by dollarlessbill on Jul 9, 2014 8:56:50 GMT -5
50/50 eitherway,,,,,,,,,,,, let me ask why does it madder in the reg. process either way ?
Bill
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Jul 9, 2014 10:00:28 GMT -5
@genebo, it's a game for fun and learning. I posted a game, too, in the thread Is he or isn't he--chondro positive? I tested mine, and he was positive. But it's fun to play the guessing game, and I learned a lot from peoples' comments on my thread, as I'm learning from this one and the thread Louise just posted. We all know you can't tell just by looking, but you can get better at visual evaluation by learning from others. |
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Post by emgiger on Jul 9, 2014 10:08:10 GMT -5
Well said zephyrhillsusan. I think there is a lot of "intelligence" on this thread and we are all fortunate to learn from these folks (some of whom I would consider experts) and their observations!
Eileen
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 9, 2014 11:53:17 GMT -5
Well, you're all correct. In order to make it clear that it's a photo designed to solicit guesses and not as a substitute for a test, there should be a clear disclaimer at the beginning that it is not intended to replace the test. Otherwise it's appropriate to caution that a test is available and easy to perform. Here is my (not intended to replace a test) photo for you all to have a crack at....I don't have an answer for you yet, because a test is pending. However here is a monkey in the works, his mother's sire is Hedgehog III  |
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Post by marion on Jul 9, 2014 12:35:27 GMT -5
Pretty certain chondro positive, even though he has Hedgehog in his pedigree. Oh, and Hans....please TEST. Are you aware that it's as simple as pulling tail hair and sending to the lab?  ?  This guess is NOT meant to substitute for the test.  ..marion |
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..marion
I have been wrong before, even with my own, but testing ourselves like this is how we learn!
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This guess is NOT meant to substitute for the test. 
..marion