DWARF ID

[Olga]

This was Maxine's heifer Melba whom I'd sold as a chondro carrier. The tests proved otherwise. My only confirmed mistake so far.

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[lakeportfarms]

Oct 2, 2012 18:45:01 GMT -5 Gorignak said:

Thanks Hans, The 87% dovetails right in with the results we have. I have a pasture full of shorties.

I loved the TM's, the "Tech Manuals" in the military....you know, you have a Jeep....and 6 books thicker than the Baltimore white pages telling you EVERY technical detail, and every fix..... Need a Dexter TM.

Looking forward to cd's primer on the "art" of deciding their status prior to the DNA tests. I hope that some discussion of the personality trait differences, or not, between the types is allowed in this discussion.

Uh oh... ;D

[cddexter]

I added a bit more.

Olga, look at the neck on the rear photo. Can't be a carrier. Wait till I get to the rear end....you'll never make that mistake again. c.

[Gorignak]

Okay Hans.....I now see that one coming also.

Man.....don't you guys ever get exhausted

This ain't my first rodeo. I was there at the creation ...... at the birth of the second wave of appreciation for Arts & Crafts Furniture. I was sitting at the Right Hand of god.......and had the temerity to laugh when he belched.

That god is still there......and so am I......but the ride was like nothing this crowd has seen....... 50 X the $$$$ at stake and every parvenu and usurper waiting with sharpened knives.

Go at it folks....I'm retired....(mostly intact).....But, do tell, is there a difference in personality between the two types

Mike

[Gorignak]

Oh Mike....I can't speak for non chondro bulls, I don't have one. But I have a good example of what I have been led to believe is often the behavior of chondro positive bulls.

I was paid a visit yesterday by the Forum Moderator, Olga....She was starting early on her promised tour of every farm of forum members in 2013. Contributions to the account covering her airfare can be made to the Bank of the Ozarks, under her farm name.

Anyway, Olga and her brother, Serguei who was visiting from Russia, arrived and were promptly taken into the pasture with our bull and his mini (literally) harem.
It was not until all the well horned cattle were nearing our party that I realized that I had no precedent by which to judge the cattle's reaction or behavior.

To my initial horror....Serguei dove right into welcoming OZ with a energetic head and neck rub....joined immediately by Olga,
( rubbing also, not being rubbed).

Oz could not have welcomed the attention more. Where he has always behaved like a gentleman before...he was downright regal and ecstatic at all his new found friends. Oz has enough horn, and is strong enough to throw anything he can get his horn under, over his back.

So, Mike, in this case....it seems that it is one example of a very placid personality for the chondro carriers.

Yourself..........Mike

( I went to that movie "Looper" the other day, and I have been seeing myself in the rear view mirror ever since?? )

The story is true...the names have not been changed to protect the guilty. If you want to contribute....I'm betting Olga would let you....but I hope that ALL of you can separate the "fact from the friction"

[Olga]

No need for help with airfare coverage, Mike. Remember your words: as the crow flies? The crow's rates are very reasonable indeed, lol.

[cddexter]

added more. Also added some stuff close to the top, so you'll need to go back and reread the whole thing.

Just like cigarettes, this package comes with a warning: This is not a personal attack on dwarfs, or on anyone who chooses to breed them. The reality is their bones ARE deformed, and all the cutsie other words to take the sting out of the medicine won't change things. I'm trying to give you info to help you. cheers, c.

[copperhead]

I think you can tell the shorties, by the absolute "cuteness" factor, even as newborns, they are tooooo cute!!!

[cddexter]

Right on the money about legs not reaching the ground, Gene.

Think of a horse. We've all heard of a horse with fluid motion, where riding is comfortable and a pleasure. We've also heard about horses with a 'jarring' trot, very uncomfortable. One has a long stride, where the stride still has forward momentum when the hoof hits the ground. The other has a short, choppy stride with little or no momentum. Same thing with non-dwarf vs. dwarf.

Easy, huh? cheers, c.

[Gorignak]

Thanks Carol....bind all this up and keep it in front of the posts. I have now read your ADCA Chondro article for the third time, and most falls in place. I think this serves as a necessary orientation for a novice.
I am going to propose another connected thread...after we have exhausted you here. Later........

But, to reinforce your "gaited" comments..... When little Dancing Bear was born on July 16 and we brought him to his new home with the rest.....he proceeded to run around in immense circles, and would finish by leaping over a 30" hickory log lying in the pasture. That lasted several weeks.

Now he is 11 weeks old.....he has to be over 150 lbs, and his stride has become more and more choppy. At first we thought that something was wrong, but we observed that he is merely mirroring his "daddy's" pace and gait. I don't think he can leap over a lead rope right now.

Please do include any anecdotal historical references to personalities and demeanor. Though milk production is not a visible trait early in the game, it probably fits here in the "observable" differences.

I am leaning toward only using Non Chondro steers for Oxen. It would seem that the mutation would diminish the overall durability of the joints. Thoughts??

I do recognize that this all is just a mental exercise for amusement now. The answer now lies in a few tail hairs, and a $20. payment to the testing lab.

Thanks

[cddexter]

Mike, if you think Genebo is 'sappy' over his cattle, wait till you read Charlie Wells. At last look, I think he had to put both his dwarf kiddies (sisters, really cute) down because of arthritis. If you like the way Gene posts, you'll love Charlie, he often has quite useful info, and he's not contentious, either.

As to milk production, chondro affects bones. Udders fall under organs. Organs are not affected. Whatever udder the calf develops will be related to the udder genes it inherited from it's dam and it's sire's dam. Cheers, c.

[Olga]

Carol, what is your take on these calves' chondro status? I've always wanted to ask. You see, I'm positive Grover was a chondro carrier, but was never sure on S Kimo.
Oxen.
Here are Grover and S Kimo, born 10 days apart, sired by our old bull Sam.



A few years later, here is Jerry with S Kimo (aka Booger). Grover had died following castration and had to be replaced with Elmo, who was quite a bit younger. Elmo went lame early in training and Jerry submitted to the idea of using a single ox.

[cddexter]

hi olga, well, the yoke does interfere with viewing, and his tail seems to cover one of my favorite check sites, but I'm GUESSING dwarf. To really tell, please include the video ;D

You'll have to wait for me to finish describing the back part of the animal, and then talk about exceptions to be sure. haha.

Great feet and sheath attachment, tho.

cheers, me.

[Olga]

Here you go!

[jamboru]

Cd, when you complete this subject can you please begin another topic and tell us what you know about crop ear. We are paranoid about them here, my mother culls them, yet her US friend loves the romantic mythical stories about them.
Fran