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Post by hamonsdexter on Mar 21, 2013 13:09:09 GMT -5
My new Herd Sire Shome Jeramah. He is a red polled A!/A2 pull What are you thoghts. Attachments:
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Post by cddexter on Mar 21, 2013 14:55:06 GMT -5
Dean and Rosemary had a lot of pha issues. I'd be checking his pha status, yesterday, unless you know for sure he's tested and clear.
cheers, c.
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Post by hamonsdexter on Mar 21, 2013 15:07:42 GMT -5
Do you know of any cows or Bulls in to watch out them. He is registered I have a letter from the Dean to previous owner that states both parents are PHA negative
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Post by cddexter on Mar 21, 2013 18:23:57 GMT -5
xanadu was a carrier. Not sure of other lines. You can check by going back beyond the extended pedigree (click on the animals on the right to bring up their extended pedigrees) to see if Aldebaran Priapus is there anywhere, or Wheatear, his dam who may have had other offspring that were carriers, too. If you have test results, then you are okay. no sweat. Just wanted you to be aware...
cheers, c.
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Post by ctownson on Mar 21, 2013 19:18:27 GMT -5
I did not see him in the ADCA Registry - is he registered? I wanted to see if he was listed as pha free or not and could not find him.
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Post by hollydzie on Mar 21, 2013 19:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by kansasdexters on Mar 21, 2013 21:40:57 GMT -5
Chad,
Unless you have a copy of his test report, indicating that he is a PHA non-carrier, it is cheap insurance ($25) to have him tested and have a report indicating his actual PHA status.
He has several known PHA carriers in his pedigree in both his sire and dam's line. A letter from a breeder is not the same as a copy of an actual test report. You want to have an actual test report on your herd sire, since neither his sire nor his dam have been reported to the ADCA and his PHA status is unknown, as far as the ADCA registry is concerned.
Patti
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 21, 2013 22:39:55 GMT -5
A letter from a breeder is not the same as a copy of an actual test report. You want to have an actual test report on your herd sire, since neither his sire nor his dam have been reported to the ADCA and his PHA status is unknown, as far as the ADCA registry is concerned. I agree with Patti. While you're at it if the sire and dam are sill alive you might also want to consider having him parentage verified, since the ADCA only shows him as having his genotype on file. I realize that goes above and beyond the current ADCA requirements, but times they are a changing.  Barb |
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Post by ctownson on Mar 22, 2013 3:34:33 GMT -5
The registry does not show him as being a non-carrier. You will need the actual test report to get that updated.
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Post by hamonsdexter on Mar 22, 2013 9:36:00 GMT -5
What other test should I have done at the same time. He has had a Test done at Texas A&M does not say what the test was but gives a punch of letters and numbers under test result. Then he had A2 Genotyping Done from Davis.
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Post by ctownson on Mar 22, 2013 10:21:05 GMT -5
The letters/numbers are the genotyping - this is the "sire qualified" label in the Registry. If it were me, I would test him for pha, chondro, red and dun color. A2 is the milk component; it is not genotyping. If UCD did the A2 test, they might have enough sample material on file to run the other tests without having to submit another sample.
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Post by kansasdexters on Mar 22, 2013 11:21:26 GMT -5
Chad,
All of the genetic tests are "genotype" tests, they just test for different things. The test for Parentage genotype is not the same as the test for Color genotype or A2 genotype or Chondro or PHA. This confuses people because they get a report back from the lab that says:
"A2 Genotyping Test" and they assume that this test is the same as the Parentage genotype test --- but it isn't.
It doesn't help that people who are familar with testing will talk about it in "shorthand", and just refer to the Parentage genotype test as simply "genotype test". Meanwhile, you're looking at a report that says "A2 Genotyping Test" and getting confused.
The Texas A&M Parentage Genotype test doesn't even say in the title of the report that it is a Genotype test, it just has a bunch of values for the genetic markers that are used to compare to the genetic markers of the sire and/or dam (if the sire and/or dam have their genetic markers "on file" in the same database).
The UC-Davis report form for Color, Chondro, PHA, and Polled has the title "DEXTER/POLLED TEST RESULTS" -- whether or not you test for polled! They use the same form to report results for a single test or for multiple tests.
And we wonder why people don't have a clue what their test results mean??? It would help if the labs would use titles on their reports that matched the test that was being reported on.
Patti
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 22, 2013 12:42:53 GMT -5
Hi Patti, Not sure if your referencing my statement of not when you said this: It doesn't help that people who are familar with testing will talk about it in "shorthand", and just refer to the Parentage genotype test as simply "genotype test". Meanwhile, you're looking at a report that says "A2 Genotyping Test" and getting confused. My comment is all of one sentence, are you saying people may be confused by that? While you're at it if the sire and dam are sill alive you might also want to consider having him parentage verified, since the ADCA only shows him as having his genotype on file. Barb |
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Post by kansasdexters on Mar 22, 2013 12:53:12 GMT -5
Hi Barb,
I wasn't thinking about your comment, I was thinking about Charles' statement, "A2 is the milk component, it is not genotyping". The title on the test report is "A2 Genotyping Test", it is genotyping -- but it is not Parentage genotyping. That's the point that I was trying to clarify, because it is very confusing to people who are just seeing test reports for the first time.
If a buyer receives copies of test reports on an animal that they purchase, they need to also receive some explanation of what those test reports mean. The titles on the reports are not self-explanatory to the uninitiated.
Patti
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 15:17:49 GMT -5
::)Well that's something new for us. I didn't know "things" are different - you learn something new everyday.  Here in Australia, all registrations must have parent verification, and since July 2011, all bull registrations must have either PHA tested free or PHA free by inheritance. It's a standard. |
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