zephyrhillsusan
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Caught Dexteritis in Dec. 2009. Member of this forum since Oct. 2013.
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Oct 25, 2014 15:30:42 GMT -5
It would be nice, Carol K, but I'm not holding my breath!  If we can't get PV required for registration, I don't hold out much hope for that! Maybe the ADCA could at least put on the bull's listing WHERE his genotype is. That would give a slight edge to those who go to the trouble to get it both places. It might also clue in potential breeders that the genotype is not at "their" lab and they're going to have to go through some extra steps. Patti, I had heard that you can get a semen sample genotyped, but thanks for adding that info because it's not the first option many might think of. Most of the straws aren't that expensive, it's the shipping if you just need one--so a great reason to get extras. |
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Post by midhilldexters on Oct 25, 2014 15:33:36 GMT -5
Yeah but Patti, don't you think someone that charges $90 a straw could spend $2 and have it on file at UCD also? It's a five minute job for them to enter in their info under the foreign animal section and it's a courtesy for their clients.
Carol K
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Post by midhilldexters on Oct 25, 2014 15:37:59 GMT -5
That's a good idea Susan, having which lab the bull is genotyped at would help a lot.
I'm going to email my Director and see if that can be implemented. Thanks!
Carol K
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Post by kansasdexters on Oct 25, 2014 16:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by midhilldexters on Oct 25, 2014 16:23:17 GMT -5
Lol yeah my Director just told me they are working on it, they don't have them all yet but are working on it.
Hopefully people pay attention to it, and hopefully some of those that sell semen will think of paying to have it at both labs as a service to their buyers.
Carol K
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Post by RedRidge on Oct 25, 2014 18:54:06 GMT -5
As an aside... whenever I purchase an animal, I get a written transfer of sample ownership. It is my understanding that just because I bought cow A I do not own the tail hair sample automatically. So I always request a transfer of ownership on that sample "just in case" I ever need it for any reason.
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Post by kansasdexters on Oct 25, 2014 19:07:18 GMT -5
Sheri,
If you own an animal, you can take your own tail hair sample(s) (and should). If you ever need to do additional genetic testing, you'll want to use your own sample of the animal, not someone else's. That way, you know the quality of the sample and you know that it came from the animal that you are interested in testing. Not everyone is a good sample taker. I would not rely on someone else's sample, if I owned and had access to the animal to get my own sample.
Patti
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Post by RedRidge on Oct 25, 2014 19:36:46 GMT -5
Sheri, If you own an animal, you can take your own tail hair sample(s) (and should). If you ever need to do additional genetic testing, you'll want to use your own sample of the animal, not someone else's. That way, you know the quality of the sample and you know that it came from the animal that you are interested in testing. Not everyone is a good sample taker. I would not rely on someone else's sample, if I owned and had access to the animal to get my own sample. Patti Yes, and I have. But i dint want someone else owning a sample of an animal I own. Prevents future problems. |
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Post by legendrockranch on Oct 25, 2014 19:44:53 GMT -5
So I always request a transfer of ownership on that sample "just in case" I ever need it for any reason. I have to agree again with Patti. If you are the new owner of an animal it would be best to pull your own samples. Hair that I have collected in the past are for my use, for the "just in case" situations. In certain cases I have allowed hair samples of mine that are at UCD/TAMU to be used by another person. That is by a case by case situation, authorization is needed by me to do that though. I see this happening more and more as time goes by with the use of two labs. But i dint want someone else owning a sample of an animal I own. Prevents future problems. Sometimes there's no getting around this, especially if an animal has several owners in it's life time. Barb |
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Post by kansasdexters on Oct 25, 2014 20:23:13 GMT -5
There really is no way of getting around it. I keep tail hair samples on every animal that I sell, just in case some testing needs to be done at a future point in time. So the samples that the lab has are not the only samples of my Dexters. I would not "sign over" ownership of any of my samples -- they are mine. If you buy an animal from me, I will give you copies of every genetic test that I've done on that animal, but I will not give you ownership of my samples. It's your responsibility to take your own samples.
Patti
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Post by RedRidge on Oct 25, 2014 20:29:24 GMT -5
Interesting... I have in my file at home my own collection of samples. But i am the owner of record of all samples at UCD for every registered animal I own. It was simply a request I made at purchase and no previous owners have ever questioned it.
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Post by kansasdexters on Oct 25, 2014 20:47:41 GMT -5
Sheri,
They probably didn't question it because they didn't realize the implications of it. I can tell you from experience that when several of us got together to test for PHA and report our results to the ADCA for inclusion on the ADCA Online Pedigree, there were a number of breeders that did not want their animals shown as PHA carriers, even though they had tested and they knew that their animals were PHA carriers.
If I had given away the "rights" to my samples to any owner of Dexters that I'd bred and that carried my herd prefix, then I would not have been able to report my results to the ADCA for inclusion in the ADCA Online Pedigree (publically accessible information). Testing and reporting were and still are "optional" for PHA and Chondrodysplasia. No way would I give this "right" away to someone else. If I'm the breeder, then I retain the right to report any genetic testing results on that animal, now and in the future.
Patti
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Post by cddexter on Oct 26, 2014 10:19:40 GMT -5
Hi Patti, ever literal  Maybe Sheri means she gets a letter from the owner giving her the 'right of access' to the lab results? This would make sense. Can one transfer 'ownership' of the lab results? Never tried, so don't know,. You did open up another can of worms, tho'. As you just mentioned, we all know there are a lot of breeders out there who consider themselves 'ethical' and who would be incensed to have anyone suggest otherwise, who'd never, ever, make public the test results, because they don't want to deal with the perceived loss of money/face/whatever if their animals are carriers. I remember when PHA hit, you were wonderful...rushed right in, tested everything---and paid for it yourself--and published the results, even before the ADCA could arrange to acquire semen. c. |
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Post by Cascade Meadows Farm - Kirk on Oct 28, 2014 23:43:10 GMT -5
If parentage verification helps the association registries by creating less problems and less rework, then perhaps the registries should pass those savings to members by charging LESS to register and transfer calves that are fully parentage verified (somewhat offsetting the cost of DNA testing paid by members)... Perhaps $20 (instead of $25) for both registrations and transfers of fully parentage verified Dexters.
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dexterlady
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Post by dexterlady on Oct 29, 2014 14:52:15 GMT -5
Good idea Kirk.....Maybe you should suggest it to your director and see what he says....Donna J.
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If we can't get PV required for registration, I don't hold out much hope for that! Maybe the ADCA could at least put on the bull's listing WHERE his genotype is. That would give a slight edge to those who go to the trouble to get it both places. It might also clue in potential breeders that the genotype is not at "their" lab and they're going to have to go through some extra steps.
