zephyrhillsusan
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Caught Dexteritis in Dec. 2009. Member of this forum since Oct. 2013.
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Mar 2, 2015 14:41:34 GMT -5
Conversely, UCD will not do this because they consider the test results to be the private property of the person who paid for the test. (I'm not commenting one way or the other, just saying what they told me.) If you are trying to PV an animal at UCD and do not own the sire or dam, you will have to contact the breeder (or possibly a former owner who might have genotyped the animal) and get the Case Number from them to put on the form you fill out when requesting PV. This should not be a big deal and is a courtesy any breeder should be willing to grant. In my experience, they have always been willing to cooperate. Once PV is up and running, this won't be an issue, because any animal you buy will already be PVd! Until it is implemented, I highly recommend that you buy only PVd breeding stock.
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Post by Dahdo on Mar 2, 2015 22:11:17 GMT -5
It was a relief to me that TAMU would share the genotype with Davis without the permission of the person who paid for the test. I tried many times to contact the current owner to ask them to either transfer the genotype to Davis ( and I'd reimburse for the fee), or send me some tail hairs. If TAMU didn't have that policy I would have no way to get my animal sire qualified. A question that occurs to me is, who "owns" the genotype? Does ownership of the genotype transfer with the animal when sold, or does the person who submitted the tail hairs and paid for the test still own the results, whether they still own the animal or not?
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Post by kansasdexters on Mar 2, 2015 23:04:27 GMT -5
Dahdo,
The person who submitted the sample and paid for the test "owns" the test. When an animal is sold, most breeders will make a copy of the genetic tests that have been done on an animal and give these to the new owner. That way the new owner has the case numbers (or assession numbers) and can use them when requesting parentage verification. But, if you own an animal (or semen for an AI bull), you may want to send in your own sample so that you are the "owner" of a test, especially if you are going to need full access to the sample for having additional tests done on it.
Patti
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Mar 3, 2015 8:28:50 GMT -5
I agree with Patti. Our bull was already genotyped, but I sent his tail hairs in and did it again so I would own his results. At the same time I did additional tests. It's a small cost that was well worth it to me. Now when I want to PV his calves he is in MyVGL account, and all I have to do is type his name in the PV section. Personally, I appreciate that VGL respects the privacy of our test results that we have paid for. (This could be a factor for people who are on the fence about which lab to use. ) Here's a story about how sharing test results CAN be done. I wanted our bull PVd, but his dam was genotyped at UCD and his AI sire was at TAMU. It never occurred to me that TAMU would share the sire's test results. I contacted the sire's current owner, who couldn't help because they had never genotyped him in their own name. Then a friend gave me the name of a former owner who "might" have had him A2 tested at UCD. (Being new to the ADCA, I had no clue who might have previously owned the bull. This friend contacted a former owner on my behalf (I talked with them as well), and the former owner did the kindest thing I have ever heard of! They had done an A2 test so tail hairs were on file at UCD. At their own expense, refusing to be reimbursed, the former owner paid UCD to genotype the tail hairs and then gave the Case Number to my friend to give to me. I was amazed and touched! This truly kind person and several others who helped me, in fact, are my role models for how breeders should act.
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Post by Dahdo on Mar 3, 2015 10:24:02 GMT -5
I agree with Patti, if you own the animal, always best to submit your own samples for any testing that needs to be done. My question was more about who could give me permission to use a genotype on an animal I don't own, so I can get an animal I do own PV'ed. I love your story Susan, and have had a similar experience in getting a genotype on file at Davis for my animal's dam, who I also do not own.
As for TAMU's policy, it saved my bacon and made it possible for me to have a fully PV'ed herd. I'll never see the actual genotype, only VGL has access to that. I also appreciate that VGL will accept a genotype from TAMU without documentation that the person submitting the sample gave permission. In my mind, this kind of cooperation doesn't compromise privacy, but greatly facilitates us having more accurate pedigrees. As a side note, I did make it clear in my written request to TAMU that I had made extensive efforts to contact the owner of the genotype and the current owner of the bull.
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