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Post by kansasdexters on Aug 7, 2014 10:59:31 GMT -5
Hi Susan,
I would make notes in my herd records of the occurance, but I would not automatically cull a healthy, productive, purebred registered Dexter for being a carrier of recessive white spotting. Here's why:
1. Until or unless the breed associations make this an issue, and refuse to register animals because of "excessive white", it won't matter. I can cull every animal in my herd that I suspect is a carrier of recessive white spotting, create a herd that is completely free of this recessive gene, and then as soon as I sell any breeding stock to another breeder that doesn't have a herd completely free of recessive white spotting (and there's no simple test), all of my efforts would be for nothing.
2. Since some of the historically significant, traditional Dexter cattle were carriers of recessive white spotting, and I have semen from some of these bulls that I intend to use, it would be inconsistent to cull a cow that was a carrier of recessive white spotting (just because of that gene) and then turn around and use a bull that was a carrier of that same gene.
So the decision to keep an animal that has many desirable breed traits, and only has a few less desirable traits that don't affect health or production, is a no brainer for me.
If I registered the spotted calf, I would include a photo of it in the online pedigree, so that future breeders would know that both its sire and dam carried recessive white spotting. We don't have any other way, at this time, to publically document this.
Patti
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Post by cddexter on Aug 7, 2014 11:05:58 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Margaret Paynter imported Gordonstoun Wellington from Canada and had him collected in AU. He threw calves that looked just like Hosteins there, when bred with some of the upgrades.
Pedigree Links/Liens de pedigrees: TRILLIUM HECTOR -[US]2599- CRANWORTH RORY -99- WOODMAGIC MISSEL penis 2ND -55- BRACO RORY'S BULLAPHANT -147- MALACH'S COREY O'CALLEN -[US]1832- ROYAL OF OLD ORCHARD -96- ROSIE O'CALLEN -[US]1797- GORDONSTOUN WELLINGTON PARNDON BULLFINCH -[US]1361- MALACH'S COREY O'CALLEN -[US]1832- MALACH'S JULIE -[US]1650- GRETAL OF OLD ORCHARD -184- MALACH'S COREY O'CALLEN -[US]1832- GRETTA OF OLD ORCHARD -[US]2428- GINGER BELLE -[US]1376-
Copyright © 2014 Canadian Livestock Records Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Copyright © 2014 Société canadienne d'enregistrement des animaux. Tous droits réservés.
Malach's Corry O'Callen was sired by Bullfinch, so Bullfinch is heavily in the pedigree.
But, if you look at the first US herd book published, it contains entries with animals with white stars, socks, body parts, and streaks, all imports from English and Irish foundation stock, early registered stock and animals that weren't registered at all but would have qualified.
There's a lot more important things to worry about that a bit of cosmetic white, imo. cheers, c.
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Post by midhilldexters on Aug 7, 2014 11:53:31 GMT -5
CD It's not a case of what's more important. It's part of the breed, newcomers to the breed and other breeders that don't know, now have a chance to get part of the History, the stats etc. Obviously Bullfinch is not the only animal out there, don't think that was the implication.
Carol K
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Post by cddexter on Aug 7, 2014 23:53:32 GMT -5
Patti, thanks for the private mesage, but it's too funny as it is, so I think I'll leave it.
Other Carol, I wasn't picking on Bullfinch, just pointing out that he does have a lot of descendants with a lot of white, and that excess white has been with us from Day 1. Somewhere (old dakodan site maybe) I copied the various attempts the DCS has made to deal with the issue. As you so rightly point out, newer members don't have the info. If a determined person were to start bashing excess white but blame only modern imports, those newer people wouldn't be in a position to know it's not true, and might get sucked in. These latest posts go a long way to explain the reality without the agendas. cheers, c.
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Post by midhilldexters on Aug 8, 2014 5:18:24 GMT -5
CD exactly.
CarolK
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Post by carragheendexters on Aug 8, 2014 7:26:41 GMT -5
WOODMAGIC MISSEL penis 2ND -55- . cheers, c. . What? Did proboards do this?
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Post by kansasdexters on Aug 8, 2014 7:47:53 GMT -5
You can thank auto correct or auto edit for that! The only way it doesn't change it, is if you type Misselcock, without the space inbetween. As soon as you put a space inbetween the l and the c, it changes the word. Maybe Olga can fix it.
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Post by cddexter on Aug 8, 2014 8:48:02 GMT -5
Why fix it? Adds hilarity to an otherwsie boring day. Remember what it does to anyone using the diminutive of Richard? 'Thingy'. Gotta love the language police. Cheers--and chuckles--c.
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Post by zephyrhillsusan on Aug 8, 2014 11:44:27 GMT -5
I agree, cddexter, it's hilarious. I saw the "penis" in there and missed that it was a censorship of the name; I thought it was just saying where the white was--and wondered why that wasn't listed for the others. Of course if I'd had my brain functioning, I would have realized that had to be a Woodmagic COW because she had a bird name. Duh! I'm not familiar enough with the Woodmagic animals, so it went right over my head, but I'm having a good laugh about it now. And thanks to the most recent posts, any other newbies reading this thread will understand. Please don't deprive them of a good laugh!
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