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Post by wdd on Sept 1, 2009 9:07:40 GMT -5
Hopefully all goes well for you. She has produced some really good calves in the past. I believe that it is only a 25% chance of an E+/E+, 25% of an E/E, and 50% chance of an E/E + when you breed two E/E+ together. But sometimes reality flys in the face of percentages and hopefully you can get the red animals your are trying for.
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Post by copperhead on Sept 1, 2009 20:49:03 GMT -5
thats very impressive, Genebo, please keep us informed as to the progress. It's really interesting how it's all done. P.J.
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Post by cddexter on Sept 2, 2009 9:31:23 GMT -5
gene, wouldn't it be easier and a lot less exciting to move one or the other? When there's two fences and a bit of space between them (or even better, out of sight in the barn), things are still interesting, but no where near as urgent. For all you and Judy have invested in this ($$, passion, desperation) I wouldn't think you'd want to take any chances. If Brenn gets in, trying again next month would require you to inject Bambi with the abort chemicals in the meantime, and then by next month with lutalyse again, her whole hormone system would be in chaos. c.
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Post by marion on Sept 2, 2009 14:45:23 GMT -5
Hi Gene, I'm a bit puzzled. You have your cow in a makeshift pen, one he is capable of removing, with the bull in a breeding frenzy. I see a good-sized barn in the background. When I have a cow I don't want bred to the bull, I put her inside, out of sight and smell, a day-and-a-half before she is due to cycle, so as not to have an accidental breeding or upset for the bull. Why not use your building? ..marion
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Post by marion on Sept 2, 2009 17:36:15 GMT -5
Gene, the barn's big enough. You could put a couple sheets plywood inside, to make the gate solid. Then put a several-strand electric fence a good distance out from that, like 30-40 ft., very well energized..marion
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Post by cddexter on Sept 3, 2009 9:02:58 GMT -5
gene, never mind the cutsie comments about how virile brenn is, and how clever you are with your solar panes. We all know you're nuts about Brenn, but this time the issue isn't your nuts, it's his.
get the darn animals separated, preferrably out of sight of each other, and with at least 30 feet between them, although 80 feet would be a lot better, and even further would be better yet. If you can afford solar panels, you can afford six metal stock panels to make a 10 x 20 pen somewhere else. Even a 10 x 10 pen would do (no, it's NOT too small!). If you just have one big field then put it up behind the house where brenn can't see them, and put the animals there.
Stop thinking about next time! if Brenn breeds her, she'll have to be needled to abort, then lutalyse again, etc. You'll be spending more in vet fees and drugs than twice that many panels. regards, c.
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Post by cddexter on Sept 3, 2009 23:50:06 GMT -5
Well, if it's advice you need, then: when you are involved in something like this, it takes precedent. Never mind the visitors, the breeding comes first. You've just spent whatever and had mega stress, and so has the bull and the cow, all for nothing because you wasted the time being polite to your visitors instead of looking after wha'ts important (or at least you claim it is). By now you have missed the heat period, although you could have bred her this morning and probably been okay. Next time, keep the animals separated, and stay focused. The various chemicals do have an affect on the animals's ability to reproduce, and you can't fool around ad nauseum without repercussions. If your vet can't advise, then talk with someone who's done a lot of embryo work and follow what they tell you. One thing is that Dexters can get by on a lot smaller dose, and if you use too much, in the end it can burn out the cow. If you are lucky and your vet is experienced in embryo work, that's a first step in the right direction. I guess we're all waiting to see what happens next installment. regards, c.
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Post by cddexter on Sept 4, 2009 9:03:32 GMT -5
oh, and gene, think of dairy cattle in staunchions, and beef cattle in feedlots. You aren't keeping Bambi in a tiny pen for life, it's just a few days. Before she comes into heat again, prepare a place for her so she's safe, Brenn isn't tortured with unrequited lust, and you aren't wasting those few dollars you're down to on repairs. regards, c.
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Post by cddexter on Sept 5, 2009 11:09:12 GMT -5
gene you aint seen nothin. ;D ;D
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Post by copperhead on Sept 27, 2009 17:34:23 GMT -5
Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you Genbo, it'll be great if you can keep more of that line going. P.J.
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Post by rhonda on Oct 31, 2009 18:13:18 GMT -5
Sorry you had such a rough trip!! Why did she have to stay at the way station??
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Post by copperhead on Oct 31, 2009 20:27:42 GMT -5
Awww Gene, so sorry it was so rough on you. I'm sure glad Ms Fermoy is tough anyway, even if it almost layed you out, P.J.
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Post by copperhead on May 14, 2010 21:53:49 GMT -5
Be sure and keep us posted Gene, I'm really rooting for you and ms. Fermoy.
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Post by wdd on Jun 7, 2010 13:23:17 GMT -5
Congrats on the heifer. What bull did you use? I thought you were trying to "save" red.
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Post by wdd on Jun 7, 2010 21:36:23 GMT -5
By breeding to Brenn all the offspring will no longer be Legacy qualified? Brenn is only a carrier himself and so is the heifer, so only a 25% chance of a red offspring, 50% of a red carrier and 25% of a black (loosing the "red" you bred for). If you are willing to loose the Legacy statis by trying for a E+/E+ why not use Thomas' Prides Red Baron (E+/E+) who has Bullfinch and Peerless breeding (no other English import bulls, good old American breeding). These are the "red" genes you wish to save and any offspring from your heifer and him would be 50% red carriers and 50% red animals thus you wouldn't stand any chance of loosing any red E+ genes. I am not trying to find fault or start an argument since I know how much Brenn means to you. With the amount already invest I was wondering why you wouldn't go with a 'sure thing' breeding to an Old American E+/E+ bull that only has Bullfinch in question in his pedigree same as Brenn.
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