jamshundred
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Post by jamshundred on Mar 16, 2014 12:14:37 GMT -5
Carol K
Suffice it to say I am not taking your bait.
My personal standard has always been and still is. . . . NOT to speak negatively as to any breeder or animal unless the information is already in the public domain. I am not breaking that standard to appease you. However, if there is any breeder with a concern they are welcome to contact me personally and I will tell them if either bull involved in these two incidents are within five generations of the Dexter they own.
Judy
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 16, 2014 13:22:53 GMT -5
Judy, I don't see Carol as baiting you, just my opinion. You were the one who mentioned "I know two breeders in PA I have talked to personally who were attacked by their Dexter bulls, ( traditional bloodlines). Both bulls were gentle pets"
Isn't it reasonable for one to ask who those bulls were? Maybe you should talk with the breeders and ask them to identify them. Otherwise you and the breeders hold the possibility of others in you hand.
For me personally I believe while some animals can have a mean streak, I don't believe because of one bad seed all progeny will inherit it. That has been proven in other lines.
Barb
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Post by jamshundred on Mar 16, 2014 13:38:27 GMT -5
Barbara,
That's a crock and you know it. You are one of four who have stalked me for 10 years trying to find a "gotcha" moment. That you cannot never ceases to pleasure me.
Here's the tell of the bait.
(1) Had I wished to respond I would have.
(2) If it was just a simple follow-up question, it would have been, " Judy, checking to see if you missed my question about the bulls or chose to ignore it". The tell is the button-pushing innuendo of "However to come on an open forum, tell the world you know of two more bulls that owners said have issues and then not say who they were is not much help to other breeders".
My Momma didn't raise no dummy and I don't think yours did either so don't play dumb Barbara.
Judy
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Post by marion on Mar 16, 2014 13:44:25 GMT -5
Carol K Suffice it to say I am not taking your bait. My personal standard has always been and still is. . . . NOT to speak negatively as to any breeder or animal unless the information is already in the public domain. I am not breaking that standard to appease you. However, if there is any breeder with a concern they are welcome to contact me personally and I will tell them if either bull involved in these two incidents are within five generations of the Dexter they own. Judy This post has been DRASTICALLY edited to bear very little resemblance to the original. The original post was vitriolic in the extreme. Surely oxymoronic to post such hate speak, while claiming "NOT to speak negatively as to any breeder.." Anyone new to this board, please be aware that this style is part of the package of sharethelegacy, aka Judy.
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 16, 2014 13:47:00 GMT -5
Sorry you feel that way Judy, it was an honest question that I was hoping to get an honest remark from. Nothing more and nothing less.
Barb
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Post by lakeportfarms on Mar 16, 2014 13:59:05 GMT -5
Sheril and I were talking about it over lunch, and she asked me how would I like it if I had dozens of girls for a few months and then had to go "cold turkey" for 9 months, and on top of that only have the company of Eunuchs during that period. I agreed that it would cause me to snap or have temperament issues too. It's too cold to sleep in the barn. Edited to more accurately describe the conversation...lol
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Post by midhilldexters on Mar 16, 2014 14:37:10 GMT -5
Wow Judy you certainly were in rare form with your original answer, which I was sent by someone to read. I guess you left it on the board long enough for all to read and then decided to take it down. Classy. You accused me of baiting you? You were the one that made the point in your post to tell everyone there were other bulls with issues, how can I be baiting you? If you don't want a response to your posts, don't post, but when people do answer you we are stalking you or baiting you? Chill out.
Karen, yes according to Judy there are bulls she knows about with temperament issues but she won't name them, sorry. It may all be a big story or it may be true, if you need some guidance when you are ready to buy a bull there are plenty of people that will help you.
Carol K
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Post by karenp on Mar 16, 2014 15:13:59 GMT -5
Lower Delaware
Short of hitting the lottery I probably won't ever have room to keep a bull. I was wondering if I could keep a feeder calf intact to breed her until it was time to butcher. From what I read here I done think it would work for us. We spend a lot of time in the pasture with our animals, I don't want to have to look over my shoulder to that extent.
But maybe that lottery thing will work out, then it will be Dexters galore.
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Post by ssimons on Mar 16, 2014 15:30:51 GMT -5
Lakeportfarms
when things get a little tense, comic relief is always in good taste. Thanks
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Post by legendrockranch on Mar 16, 2014 16:14:33 GMT -5
Evidently Barbara missed that in her haste to accuse Judy of editing her own post. HUH? ? what in the heck are you talking about? ? I NEVER accused Judy of editing her own post. Plus what did you see in my post that was offensive? Please tell me. Barb
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Post by midhilldexters on Mar 16, 2014 16:38:39 GMT -5
Gene, if I knew I wouldn't have wasted my time asking?? Sometimes I don't get you at all. You don't know me, we don't chat on the phone or online, why do you think you have the right to tell people I know who she is talking about. She said there were two traditionally bred bulls that attacked their owners, of course I would want to know who they were as would anyone. If you would like to email me the bulls names feel free, but don't tell people I know something I don't. Also, have you ever thought that there are just the few of us that may question Judy or you because no one else wants to have all that vitriol spewed at them?? Or that some just don't give a rats thingy what she says so don't bother? Did you see Judy's original post? It was nasty, it was almost like she thought I was someone else, she made reference to me being on the Board when Platinum was imported? Or at least that's how I read it. Well I wasn't on the Board then so what am I to think?? You can try and throw people off by talking about stalkers and the like but the fact is Judy says there are two aggressive bulls of traditional lines that attacked their owners, that's what I'm more concerned with.
Carol K
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Post by midhilldexters on Mar 16, 2014 16:44:16 GMT -5
also Gene, I don't believe Marion said she edited the post personally, Judy edited her own post. Maybe you should follow your own advice "to give some cold, sober thought to what you post, before you post it, not only would the forum become a better place for Dexter owners to meet and discuss, but you would quit exposing yourselves to the public."
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Post by marion on Mar 16, 2014 16:45:24 GMT -5
The heck of all this is, that all the participants in the conversation know exactly what lineage the mean bulls carry. Marion has admittedly edited Judy's post, as is she said. Evidently Barbara missed that in her haste to accuse Judy of editing her own post. The reference to stalkers is accurate. It doesn't take a psycologist to interpret the counter posts which follow Judy's posts on this thread and every other thread. Always the same people, always with the same agenda, usually without bothering to read the content they are criticizing. Judy won't name the bulls, for the same reason I won't put a name to the stalkers. I have, before, only to have MY post drastically edited. Other people who have abandoned posting on this site because of them gave them other names besides stalkers. Zombies was one I thought apt. What is really horrible about the way these stalkers attack, is that new posters to the board often get caught up in their rhetoric and get the idea that this is how it's done. NO IT'S NOT. The bad behavior exhibited by the stalkers is bad behavior. Period. Doing it on a public forum doesn't excuse them, nor does it make them cool and worldly. All it does is show them as being mean, like the bulls we were discussing here. If everybody would take the time to give some cold, sober thought to what you post, before you post it, not only would the forum become a better place for Dexter owners to meet and discuss, but you would quit exposing yourselves to the public. Quoting your post complete Gene, so as not to be accused of editing. PLEASE TAKE NOTE: I HAVE NEVER EDITED ANYONE'S POST. JUDY EDITED HER OWN POST, as stated below her post and which does not show up when quoted. CHECK WITH OLGA IF YOU ARE STILL CONVINCED THAT I AM EDITING YOUR POSTS. **Please respond here and let me know you have read this, ***and checked with Olga***, as it gets tiresome to be accused of editing posts.** Then, the next time you wish to support your post by claiming something is edited by me, we can refer back here, where we will have established that I have not EVER edited your posts. marion
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Post by marion on Mar 16, 2014 17:14:32 GMT -5
OOps! I made a mistake. It was Carol K that wrote that Judy edited her own post. My apology. I got y'all mixed up. Marion quoted her edited parts of a Judy post and then wrote: "This post has been DRASTICALLY edited to bear very little resemblance to the original." Carol K then wrote: "Wow Judy you certainly were in rare form with your original answer, which I was sent by someone to read. I guess you left it on the board long enough for all to read and then decided to take it down. Classy." Now we all wonder what Judy's post may have looked like before Marion DRASTICALLY edited it, eh? It's a shame that one of y'all didn't quote Judy before Marion edited her. I've taken to making a copy of my posts so that I can re-edit them to put them back the way I wrote them, after one was edited so badly that it sounded like an idiot wrote it. I had to delete that one so people wouldn't think It was this idiot that wrote it. I'm not really an idiot, although there is a little of that in me, as with us all. It just seems that with an open forum to post on, the idiocy quickly rises to the top. Can we get back to the mean bulls? Who's going to volunteer to tell the truth about the mean bulls? It's not good for it to come from me, because as soon as I heard about them, years ago, I promised myself to never own one from that line. I think the warning should be issued by someone closer to the problem, don't you? My own interest in the issue is so that people can know that the meanness is not inherent to all Dexter bulls. It is an isolated occurrence, one that could easily be avoided. Gene, I have REPORTED YOUR POST to Olga, as I'm sick of you claiming I've edited you (and/or Judy). marion
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Post by midhilldexters on Mar 16, 2014 18:09:32 GMT -5
Genebo said " Can we get back to the mean bulls? Who's going to volunteer to tell the truth about the mean bulls? It's not good for it to come from me, because as soon as I heard about them, years ago, I promised myself to never own one from that line. I think the warning should be issued by someone closer to the problem, don't you?
My own interest in the issue is so that people can know that the meanness is not inherent to all Dexter bulls. It is an isolated occurrence, one that could easily be avoided.
[/p] I offered to contact the owners and ask permission if someone wants to give me the bulls names or owners names. Since you know the bulls in question then why don't you call or email them and ask permission to discuss the bulls on this forum. They have obviously been open in the past and told someone so don't see why they would have an issue with is now. Someone needs to step up and try.
Carol K
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