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Post by Dahdo on Jul 26, 2015 15:19:34 GMT -5
I love the internet! All this free data. I just downloaded 1,848 records for registered Dexter cattle. There are over 30 items of information for each animal, everthing from sire and dam to A2 status, not to mention links to pedigrees and photos. Someone has even gone to the trouble of dividing them into groups including Modern Polled, Modern Horned and Traditional Horned. Not sure what those mean, but I'll probably come up with my own divisions anyway. You see, I'm thinking of starting my own Dexter registry now that I have these records. Think of it, I didn't have to enter and quality assure any of this data, I don't have to give credit to anyone for the data, and best of all, it will give MY registry more credibility. Get ready for my web site launch folks, Dave's Dexter Registry will be open soon. Best of all? You won't even need to send me your information, I will just find it on the internet, and copy it. Right now all MY records are in an Excel spreadsheet that I would be happy to share....so you can have your own Dexter registry. PM if interested.
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Post by cddexter on Jul 26, 2015 17:18:32 GMT -5
What a great idea, Dave. why didn't more of us think of this sooner. Silly me, I was going to ask the DCS if they would mind if I copied off the old herd books so researchers would have access to old English records that aren't on the DCS website. I don't have to do that, I can just copy them from the same website you did. Pretty cool.
PS I may be heading to Calif sometime in Sept. Is Sue's B&B still open?
cheers, c.
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Post by legendrockranch on Jul 26, 2015 20:11:28 GMT -5
Dave, did you get my PM because I want my own registry also, what a fabulous idea.
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Post by carragheendexters on Jul 26, 2015 20:41:17 GMT -5
What a wonderful idea. Everyone across the world can start their own registry, so that they can run it just the way they like it. Just lift all of the info you want from someone else's registry and claim it as your own, and then Bob's your uncle.
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Post by Dahdo on Jul 26, 2015 20:49:57 GMT -5
I had a feeling this one would catch on.
C., Sue's B&B is open and ready for business. Give us some dates when you know and we will reserve your room!
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Post by midhilldexters on Jul 30, 2015 14:47:33 GMT -5
All you people copying that stuff must have broke it, big blank page now that says "Down for maintenance". Must be a big issue as it "been down" a while. Maybe it's being made theft proof!
Carol K
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Post by carragheendexters on Jul 30, 2015 17:54:53 GMT -5
Or perhaps it is being repaired from any damage done by the hacking, or perhaps they have some talented people involved who are in the process of tracking down the computer that hacked in. LOL
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Post by legendrockranch on Jul 30, 2015 21:27:49 GMT -5
Very interesting Wonder how long it will be down for? Hope if and when the"maintenance" is completed, my animals are no longer on it.
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Post by cddexter on Jul 31, 2015 9:25:31 GMT -5
But, back to the subject at hand.
Politics aside, there are two authentic registries, and one privately owned database.
The ADCA is the original registry, with a complete set of legitimate records. Most of those records are now on a computer database and available online, although earlier records are still only available in printed form from the original published association Herd Books.
The PDCA is a small splinter registry, whose records are based on a pirated copy** of the ADCA software and database, with an extra field added for PDCA registration numbers based on the ADCA numbers. Any access to records of pedigreed animals prior to what was entered in the ADCA online database before the split, will come from old ADCA herd books.
'Legacy' is the privately owned database of Judy Sponaugle. Legacy has no official recognition internationally, or within the US. Judy's records come from (1) data provided by test applications and results from UCDavis Diagnostic Lab done thorugh Legacy, (2) data copied from the ADCA online database, and old Herd Books, (3) data copied from the PDCA online database, and (4) data copied from international online and printed Herd Books, mostly from England. There is no evidence Judy has had permission to copy and use any of this material in what is trying to be a rival pedigree database*.
* The results of any testing done through Legacy go to Judy, giving her legitimate access to pedigrees and test results. While Judy is on record that she is not using this information personally, it forms part of her database records and she has sole ownership of those records. She has already conducted her own agenda-bassed 'research' using the pha results from UCD testing, and published her 'findings'--and got it wrong.
Speaking personally, I go with the high road. I choose not to belong to an organization whose claim to fame is based on pirated records, and who (thinking they'd managed to steal the only copy of the database available) prematurely wrote to international legitimate Dexter registries telling them the ADCA was without records and defunct, and asking for recoginiton for themselves as the only official registry in the USA. I also choose not to record my animals in a private database with no oversight, owned by someone who has created a narrow, warped definition of purity, and who does her level best to discredit approximately 99% of Dexter pedigrees worldwide.
Call me narrow-minded in turn, if you will, but I'd rather bumble along with the ADCA, who at least try to do things right, than risk whatever new unethical behaviour the other two consider expedient
Cheers, c.
EDITED TO ADD: ** probably should have been more accurate: not a pirated copy, the original. The Sec/Treas/Reg took with her the original ADCA software and registry database. No wonder the Pee core group thought the ADCA was out of business., and sent letters to the other Dexter assns saying the ADCA was dead, the Pees were the phoenix rising from the ADCA ashes, and asking for recognition as the sole official US official registry. The ADCA only managed to continue its existence because a copy had recently been sent to the programmer for software changes, and the ADCA was able to retrieve that copy. The bank accounts had been drained, too, so there was no money available even if the BoD had had the guts to sue. Sorry, guys, it doesn't matter how much water flows under the bridge, the Pees are still run by the same people, and those people won't have suddenly developed integrity.
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Post by cathylee on Jul 31, 2015 10:52:00 GMT -5
I do think the whole ADCA/PDCA mess is very unfortunate for the breed. In this area there are many more PDCA registered cows than ADCA registered. Particularly among the herds of the elderly. When I called the breeder of the bull that is coming to visit in August I got an earful about the ADCA and a story about what caused the split in her mind. She was very pleasant to talk to otherwise and will be going down to many fewer Dexters this year. She had a herd of around 30 last year and plans to go down to two cows and a bull this year. She did genotyping once on one bull calf with the result that that bull calf was made a steer. She laughs at the very idea that genetic testing is desirable. She had never heard of A2. I believe her herd has been closed since around 2004. Her last outside purchase was a bull born in 2002 and probably bought about 2004 from what is I believe a now defunct herd from the area. I like the idea of old local genetics but of course you'll find plenty of well known AI sires in the pedigree mix.
From the road her herd appears to be mostly polled and black. I think she has some very nice cows and wish her well in finding good homes for them. If not, many of the heifers and cows will go to processing along with her nine steers. We are in an extreme drought this year so many will be abandoning the idea of expanding herds for now. Bad timing for her major herd reduction but she is now the only one at home healthy enough to do the chores.
It seems to me the split leads to confusion and frustration with the difficulty of choosing a registry and moving animals from one to the other. Probably more confusion for those of us that are newer to the breed.
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Post by kansasdexters on Jul 31, 2015 18:19:20 GMT -5
cathylee -
In spite of the ADCA/PDCA mess in 2004 (11 years ago folks!), the ADCA registry and the Dexter breed have continued to prosper and the number of registered Dexter cattle in the United States and the number of owner/breeders of registered Dexter cattle has continued to increase every year. It is incredible that anyone has anything negative to say about the progress that has been made in the past decade. There are more purebred, registered Dexter cattle available in the United States in 2015, than at any other time in the history of Dexter cattle in the United States. Take note, and please take a moment to celebrate the success of this unique and very desirable Irish cattle breed. It's too easy to focus on negative thoughts, and to forget that there are many positive things happening in the ADCA and with the Dexter breed these days.
Patti
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