Saving American red

[liz]

Wow Gene that's great! No wonder you are so excited! Did someone have Priapus tested for red? I know that he carries dun because he has had a lot of dun progeny up here but never heard that he carried red. It would be great for us in Canada if he did. One thing though, Priapus does have an English import connection. He was bred completely from the orriginal Woodmagic imports to Canada. Sired by Cluny, (Woodmagic Beaver & Waxwing) and dam Woodmagic Wheatear. Liz

[wstevenl]

Liz, I'm guessing that it's not the "original Woodmagic imports" that Genebo is worried about. I would assume that he's trying to stay away from a couple of very popular, more recent imports, who's pedigree is in question.

[tiffin]

What an honor. Is she on loan? or did you purchase her? keep us informed. Go, Brenn. lol

[Honeycreek Dexters]

i may be out of my league even suggesting this but here goes. sense you are going to all of the trouble and i assume expense, why not have her flushed and cross with both bulls and use yours and a few others as recips? that way would increase your chances and move you much further down the road you seem to want to travel.i sincerely hope i'm not out of line.
hcd

[liz]

How is Ms. Fermoy doing Gene? We are still waiting for the pics! Did you ever ask, or could you about the testing for Priapus to show he carries red? Thanks Liz

[tiffin]

Very nice photos. She has a very regal look about her.

[liz]

Gee, are you sure that's not pre-mating ritual? Are you planning on AI'ing her first or are you just going to go with live cover? L

[jamshundred]

Gene,
I have test results on six AI bulls, tested and reported from Canada by Dr. Sheila Schmutz, but I cannot find it at the moment. I sent a copy ( or maybe an email with the info) to Patti Adams ages ago, so if she posts here she can confirm the info.
Priapus carries red but I cannot remember it if was little e or capital E. He is, by pedigree, a fullblood Dexter bull. Trillium ( his sire) did not carry red as I recall. . . he carried only dun. Jamie O'Callen also carries red, and does not carry dun. Parndon Bullfinch is ED/ED ( solid black) and his sire HAD to carry red because Bullfinch's grandmother was a red cow. If his sire, Parndon Charley Pudding was half Guernsey he would have had to be a RED bull and not a black one. . . . . which makes the rumors about his suspect Guernsey parentage via the sire false. ( Although they changed the rumor from his sire being Guernsey to his mother being Guernsey after it became apparent the first rumor had to be in error.

I'll try to find my copy of that test info in the next couple of days if someone I gave it too doesn't turn up with it first.

Judy

[liz]

Judy; I just asked Patti and she says that she hasn't seen any tests on Priapus. If you could find the test that would be great. It is a very interesting possibility. BTW what do Jamie O'Callen or Bullfinch have to do with Priapus' pedigree? Thanks Liz

[marion]

We do know that red could be a possibility for descendants of the Woodmagics that were imported into Canada. One of the imports, Woodmagic Parula's Warbler 2nd (not in Priapus' pedigree) was a red carrier. The records show that Aldebaran Priapus has sired only black and dun calves, as did his sire Trillium Cluny, the offspring of two of the original English Woodmagic cows brought into Canada.
Red through Priapus would be a nice surprise, so I for one eagerly await information about his semen test.
Genebo, is the information about fertility (or lack of), also the result of a semen test, or anecdotal? ..marion

[liz]

Now I understand about Jamie O'Callen! It's another bull you are planning on using! Are you and your vet going to 'time' the AI or do you know her natural cycle? That is really interesting about Priapus, thanks! Can you ask Judy if the test is on file at CanLab or if not which facility it is because we (the Association) needs red parentage testing on a bull/dam before we can register offspring as red. As Marion said, there's dun offspring registered to Priapus but no red ones and his carrying red would be really exciting! Thanks, Liz

[marion]

I had a similar situation with an older but very well-bred goat I purchased, that had not kidded in two years or more.
You could give her a shot of e-sel if selenium is deficient in the area soil where she has been living. Also, wheat germ oil on the grain if you can find any. Most now are adulterated with soy.
The improved pasture at your place will help to flush her too. My old doe was mated after the above supplements and kidded the following spring, a big healthy set of twins. Best of luck with ms fermoy..marion

[marion]

..And the wheat germ oil will provide the same, in a more natural way..marion

[backwoods1]

I have done a lot of AI on beef cattle and some on my dexters. I have used the CIDRs the past 2 years. I have learned that when you remove it, give the lutalyse shot, and then AI 60 hours after that. We have had a 80% catch rate with that timing.

[liz]

Hi Gene; How goes the insemination battle with Ms. Fermoy? I just got off the phone with Ron Black, secretary of our Association and the test results for Priapus and colour, that he has on file from the Schmutz testings, indicate that he doesn't carry red, just dun. Liz